re: NFL "Late Round" Rookie Salary Differences: 2008 to 2013

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i don't disagree, but i'm just saying that has nothing to do with the new CBA (as the myth states)

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Analyze the difference in contracts of 2nd and 3rd rounders from 2008 to today.

That is what has changed.

The players aren't coming back because they aren't gaining anything by going from 5th/6th rounder to a 3rd rounder.

It's not that difficult to understand, unless you aren't trying to understand, and just trying to frame this as a knock against Les Miles.

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i think there are a few reasons

1. 1/9/12 and all the drama from that night

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3. i think LSU is being sold/promoted as a "3 year stop" to recruits more than other schools. this is the complete 180 from what miles was praised for when he first got here, but c'est la vie

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Oh, right.

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your assumption here is pretty wrong

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Perhaps. But, the assumption that a kid who thinks he's NFL good would somehow be unaware that he could leave early regardless of where he went just because some other school didn't talk about it seems pretty out there too.

What would our recruiter say exactly? "Hey man, I know that those other guys are telling you how great their program is but you need to come play for us because we have all these kids leaving early for the NFL?"

Is there any kid alive who would be swayed by that given that even if Saban never mentioned the NFL once, they would know they could do the same there? Or anywhere really?

And, I'm sorry. The bulk of the kids obviously care about winning or most 5 star kids would go do mid-tier schools so they could start early and get to the NFL fast. Are there some that don't? Yeah. But again, they still can go anywhere and leave early. LSU isn't somehow special in this area even if they talked about it non-stop.

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As the #1 pick in the NFL Draft. I know, details, details.

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nobody criticized JR. you missed the point. he was the complete outlier at the time. in those days, he was the only one who left early and this was a foundational point of support for Miles' fans

things changed with PP7

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The players aren't coming back because they aren't gaining anything by going from 5th/6th rounder to a 3rd rounder.

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That is it in a nutshell. I think what SFP is saying is why is this rationale occurring now when it hasn't been a trend in the past.

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What would our recruiter say exactly? "Hey man, I know that those other guys are telling you how great their program is but you need to come play for us because we have all these kids leaving early for the NFL?"

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it's kind of how coaches sell early playing time. within that sales pitch is an implicit admission that, AT THE LEAST, that area of the team is bad. this pitch is made EVERY year to top guys (at LSU and elsewhere)

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The 1st and 2nd rounders don't make near what they did a few years ago. A junior who is a 4/5th round projection doesn't see value in coming back when the best case scenario is him improving his stock and making another 1-200k his first few years. This isn't about what they pay the late round guys, it's the caps on the 1st rounders salaries.

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Bingo. Capping the top rounds got rid of the carrot.

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Are you saying he isn't physically talented?

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he is short. that's literally the ONLY reason he fell so far. physical limitations

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he is short. that's literally the ONLY reason he fell so far. physical limitations

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Andrew Luck and RG3 had nothing to do with it huh?

You trying to say these kids were all measurables?

ETA: He was drafted in the 3rd round by a solid team, who had JUST signed a QB with a decent size contract. They obviously thought enough of him to use an earlier pick and gave him a chance for the starting job.

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there wasn't really a carrot for guys who were draft eligible and were late round picks. it would take an outlier scenario to improve a stock that much. trai turner, tharold simon, spencer ware, chris faulk, etc weren't making that jump. the carrot never existed.

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This conversation is getting mixed and the player groups need to be separated to make any sense.

The "carrot" matters for a guy that is a 3rd rounder. It doesn't matter for a 6th rounder leaving early.

For the late round guys, are 4th rounders now making similar to 4th rounders of old? Are 6th rounders making similar to 6th rounders of old?

I also don't have a problem with players realizing that careers are short and a change of mindset occurring that getting paid earlier doesn't cost them much.

There are a ton of factors here. The economy went to shite in 09, new player agreement and continued increase in information availability.

If I was a 5th rounder and didn't care about the education or college experience component, then it would make sense to entertain leaving early. 5th rounders probably won't jump any higher than 3rd or 4th in a best case scenario and it is one less year that their body has to take a beating for no pay.

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If I was a 5th rounder and didn't care about the education or college experience component,

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shite, even if you consider education important. The amount you'll make if you make a roster for even a bit will easily pay for another year of school.