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re: NCAA Scholarship Limits Reasoning
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:26 am to lynxcat
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:26 am to lynxcat
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I believe baseball growth overall has flatlined but maybe it has grown at the college level.
To see how baseball has grown as a viable sport around the country versus just in the south, look at the investment made by multiple Big Ten schools over the past few years. A bunch of them have upgraded their practice facilities and stadiums and started paying their coaches more.
And you're seeing the fruits of it now with the quality of play in the conference being the highest it's been in the modern era of college baseball.
There are more college baseball games on TV than ever before and not just the SEC. Part of that is a byproduct of various conference networks needing programing, but the SEC and ACC have had weekly games on the big ESPN networks for several years now.
There are a lot of other small things that I don't know the full stats on, like dealing with the MLB draft. But the sport is certainly growing on the college level and has grown significantly in the last decade.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 1:12 pm to FreeState
Title IX is an abomination. It's a travesty that it hasn't yet been done away with.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:32 pm to ProjectP2294
Sorry, but there are maybe 25-30 schools in the country that draw 2000 or more fans per game. Not many people care about college baseball outside of a few towns. As of now, i think you are stupid, but if you can provide a statistical analysis showing significant growth in college baseball attendance over the past decade then my opinion will change. Until then i will continue thinking that you are stupid.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:35 pm to lsupride87
I feel one day there will be an ex-player turned lawyer that will draw a significant amount of attention to the disparity between the scholarship limit to roster size ratios for football and non-football sports. With all of the attention being paid to the "true cost of attendance" with respect to football and men's basketball scholarships, averaging 1/3 of a scholarship per baseball player should get some sympathy.
Are baseball players subject to the same work restrictions as football players?
Are baseball players subject to the same work restrictions as football players?
Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:37 pm to CubsFanBudMan
quote:We all were governed by the same rules. From football to golf
Are baseball players subject to the same work restrictions as football players?
Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:45 pm to T
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Sorry, but there are maybe 25-30 schools in the country that draw 2000 or more fans per game. Not many people care about college baseball outside of a few towns. As of now, i think you are stupid, but if you can provide a statistical analysis showing significant growth in college baseball attendance over the past decade then my opinion will change. Until then i will continue thinking that you are stupid.
attendance is a poor metric to use by itself. you look at what type of monetary investments have been made. if espn is willing to invest in college baseball at the level it has, that should be all you need. literally almost every game is available to watch on TV. The ACC also has a deal. Fox Sports carries games. Back just 10 years ago, you weren't seeing many, if any, regular season games televised period. I remember in the late 90s listening to games on the radio and following them on LSUs stat tracker. No, college baseball isn't and never will be college football or basketball, but to deny its growth nation wide is either ignorance or being intentionally obtuse.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:47 pm to FreeState
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What is the reasoning behind 11.7 scholarship numbers in baseball?
women
Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:50 pm to CubsFanBudMan
quote:Funny how most football and basketball players are black and get full scholarships.....most baseball players are white and get partial scholarships. I guess when it comes to baseball there is no white privilege?
I feel one day there will be an ex-player turned lawyer that will draw a significant amount of attention to the disparity between the scholarship limit to roster size ratios for football and non-football sports. With all of the attention being paid to the "true cost of attendance" with respect to football and men's basketball scholarships, averaging 1/3 of a scholarship per baseball player should get some sympathy.
Are baseball players subject to the same work restrictions as football players?
J/K....I know it is not race related but is all about Title IX
Posted on 5/11/15 at 2:51 pm to Pilot Tiger
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they should exclude football from the discussion
I agree. the fact is, football is the teet that all of the men's minor sports and all of the women's sports feed off of. so the cash cow not being exempt results in other men's sports getting penalized.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:09 pm to lsufball19
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if espn is willing to invest in college baseball at the level it has, that should be all you need.
I disagree. Sure, espn broadcasts regionals, but the regular season games they show are solely due to the fact that they do whatever it takes to makes conferences happy so they can broadcast football.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:20 pm to T
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I disagree. Sure, espn broadcasts regionals, but the regular season games they show are solely due to the fact that they do whatever it takes to makes conferences happy so they can broadcast football.
so intentionally obtuse. gotcha. why do you think espn picked up the cws from cbs and the ncaa changed the format to add a championship series instead of a one game, winner takes all, format? why did the ncaa move from 48 teams to 64 in the 1999? why did they add the super regional round in 1999? is it because college baseball has flatlined in popularity?
why is one school after another spending tens of million dollars on facility upgrades? and these are coming outside the "25-30" that actually care. if baseball has flatlined, why not just keep what they have instead of pumping more and money into the sport?
again, no baseball is not on the level of football or basketball, and it never will be. but again, you're being intentionally obtuse or ignorant to deny it has grown exponentially the past 15 years.
btw, attendance numbers have grown a lot as well. you can feel free to research those numbers
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:24 pm to T
So attendance is everything? Would you say that college football is declining since this past season they had the lowest average attendance in 14 years?
Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:26 pm to lsufball19
A lot of posters providing lazy responses without providing facts.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:28 pm to T
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Sorry, but there are maybe 25-30 schools in the country that draw 2000 or more fans per game
I counted 33. Five more than there were in 2010. And the average attendance at #50 on the list in 2014 is about 200 higher than #50 in 2010.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:29 pm to T
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Posted by Message
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NCAA Scholarship Limits Reasoning
A lot of posters providing lazy responses without providing facts.
You haven't provided a single fact. Do your own homework if you doubt what people are saying. College baseball has grown across the board
Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:29 pm to ProjectP2294
Attendance is increasing steadily... TV audiences are increasing even faster.
What's the problem here?
What's the problem here?
Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:33 pm to JP_Tiger
Attendence went up about 30% for the 50th best number between 2005 and 2014.
ETA: 53 schools have opened new baseball parks since 2005. Out of about 300 schools. There were a lot more in the early 2000s, but I wanted to limit it to the last decade of full seasons.
ETA: 53 schools have opened new baseball parks since 2005. Out of about 300 schools. There were a lot more in the early 2000s, but I wanted to limit it to the last decade of full seasons.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/11/15 at 3:52 pm to ProjectP2294
[link=(Title IX is an abomination. It's a travesty that it hasn't yet been done away with.)]LINK[/link]
Bingo!! This my friend is the root cause of the problem. Overall women sports lose Million's of dollars that college's have to eat yearly. But the free ride numbers they HAVE to give women because of Title 9 is ridiculous. This is why baseball has to suffer the 11.7 rule.
Bingo!! This my friend is the root cause of the problem. Overall women sports lose Million's of dollars that college's have to eat yearly. But the free ride numbers they HAVE to give women because of Title 9 is ridiculous. This is why baseball has to suffer the 11.7 rule.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 4:22 pm to lsufball19
Still no good facts in this thread to prove that college baseball is more popular now. Just a bunch of stuff like its on tv more and the 50th best attendance is better now that 10 years ago. Somebody provide something worth reading. Come on baseball fans.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 4:25 pm to T
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Posted by Message
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NCAA Scholarship Limits Reasoning
Still no good facts in this thread to prove that college baseball is more popular now. Just a bunch of stuff like its on tv more and the 50th best attendance is better now that 10 years ago. Somebody provide something worth reading. Come on baseball fans.
Prove your side with anything concrete
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