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Moscona compares - Nice try but a couple of comical errors
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:39 am
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:39 am
2011 vs 2016 Article
QUARTERBACK
2011: Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson
2016: Brandon Harris
Edge: 2011
The skinny: Neither team will win because of its quarterback. Lee was the most efficient quarterback in the SEC before being benched when Jefferson returned from suspension. The ’11 duo gets the nod because both were seniors with a ton of experience.
RUNNING BACK
2011: Spencer Ware, Michael Ford, Alfred Blue, Kenny Hilliard
2016: Leonard Fournette, Derrius Guice, Darrell Williams, Nick Brosette
Edge: 2016
The skinny: The 2011 group was relentless because LSU could pound opponents with talented, fresh legs. Still, any group with Fournette has to get the edge. He’s a game-breaker that the 2011 group didn’t have.
WIDE RECEIVER
2011: Rueben Randle, Odell Beckham Jr., Russell Shepard, Kadron Boone, James Wright
2016: Malachi Dupre, Travin Dural, Tyron Johnson, D.J. Chark
Edge: 2016
The skinny: If the 2016 version of “OBJ” were playing, that would change things, but he was a freshman in 2011. Dupre is a future first-round pick and Dural can blow the top off a defense even better than Randle. The depth among the ’16 group is better, too.
TIGHT END
2011: Deangelo Peterson, Chase Clement, Travis Dickson, Mitch Joseph
2016: Colin Jeter, DeSean Smith, Foster Moreau, JaCory Washington
Edge: 2016
The skinny: Jeter is the most physical blocker of the group and Smith is the most gifted pass-catcher. Now, if only Cam Cameron would throw him the ball.
OFFENSIVE LINE
2011: Chris Faulk, T-Bob Hebert, P.J. Lonergan, Will Blackwell, Alex Hurst
2016: Maea Teuhema, Will Clapp, Ethan Pocic, Josh Boutte, Toby Weathersby
Edge: 2011
The skinny: Merely mentioning the first five doesn’t do the 2011 group justice. The first nine guys in the rotation had significant SEC experience and the 10th was five-star freshman La’El Collins. There never has been a deeper, more talented line at LSU than the 2011 group.
DEFENSIVE TACKLE
2011: Michael Brockers, Bennie Logan, Ego Ferguson, Anthony Johnson
2016: Christian LaCouture, Davon Godchaux, Greg Gilmore, Frank Herron
Edge: 2016
The skinny: There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth with this one, but remember that Brockers and Logan were sophomores on the ’11 team. Each member of the ’16 group has been on campus three or four years. I would expect the biggest improvement from this unit under Dave Aranda.
DEFENSIVE END
2011: Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Kendrick Adams, Lavar Edwards, Chancey Aghayere
2016: Lewis Neal, Arden Key, Tashawn Bower, Deondre Clark
Edge: 2011
The skinny: This wasn’t close. Key has the potential to be a superstar, but Mingo and Montgomery were All-Americans and every member of that 2011 unit got a crack in the NFL.
LINEBACKER
2011: Kevin Minter, Ryan Baker, Stefoin Francois
2016: Kendall Beckwith, Duke Riley, Donnie Alexander
Edge: Even
The skinny: Minter was a year away from his breakout season and there wasn’t much help. LSU largely benefitted from having an extra defensive back on the field in 2011, a strategy it likely will choose to implement in 2016.
CORNERBACK
2011: Morris Claiborne, Tyrann Mathieu, Tharold Simon, Ron Brooks
2016: Tre’Davious White, Kevin Toliver, Donte Jackson, Dwayne Thomas
Edge: 2011
The skinny: The 2016 group has an All-American and two potential first-round picks – and it still isn’t close. The 2011 group had the Jim Thorpe Award winner – and that wasn’t the guy who ended up in New York as a Heisman finalist.
SAFETY
2011: Eric Reid, Brandon Taylor
2016: Jamal Adams, Rickey Jefferson
Edge: 2011
The skinny: Adams is the best safety at LSU since Reid, but he isn’t Reid yet. Taylor was the glue of the 2011 defense, a guy the 2016 group is lacking.
SPECIAL TEAMS
2011: P Brad Wing, K Drew Alleman, RS Tyrann Mathieu and Michael Ford
2016: P Josh Growden, K Trent Domingue, RS Derrius Guice and Tre’Davious White
Edge: 2011
The skinny: Don’t forget how Mathieu changed the Arkansas and Georgia games with electrifying returns. Wing’s 2011 season was the best for a punter in LSU history. Alleman converted 88 percent of his field-goal attempts.
THE VERDICT
The 2011 squad gets the nod in six of the 11 position groups, but it is closer than many would expect. That is, unless you’re McFarland.
QUARTERBACK
2011: Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson
2016: Brandon Harris
Edge: 2011
The skinny: Neither team will win because of its quarterback. Lee was the most efficient quarterback in the SEC before being benched when Jefferson returned from suspension. The ’11 duo gets the nod because both were seniors with a ton of experience.
RUNNING BACK
2011: Spencer Ware, Michael Ford, Alfred Blue, Kenny Hilliard
2016: Leonard Fournette, Derrius Guice, Darrell Williams, Nick Brosette
Edge: 2016
The skinny: The 2011 group was relentless because LSU could pound opponents with talented, fresh legs. Still, any group with Fournette has to get the edge. He’s a game-breaker that the 2011 group didn’t have.
WIDE RECEIVER
2011: Rueben Randle, Odell Beckham Jr., Russell Shepard, Kadron Boone, James Wright
2016: Malachi Dupre, Travin Dural, Tyron Johnson, D.J. Chark
Edge: 2016
The skinny: If the 2016 version of “OBJ” were playing, that would change things, but he was a freshman in 2011. Dupre is a future first-round pick and Dural can blow the top off a defense even better than Randle. The depth among the ’16 group is better, too.
TIGHT END
2011: Deangelo Peterson, Chase Clement, Travis Dickson, Mitch Joseph
2016: Colin Jeter, DeSean Smith, Foster Moreau, JaCory Washington
Edge: 2016
The skinny: Jeter is the most physical blocker of the group and Smith is the most gifted pass-catcher. Now, if only Cam Cameron would throw him the ball.
OFFENSIVE LINE
2011: Chris Faulk, T-Bob Hebert, P.J. Lonergan, Will Blackwell, Alex Hurst
2016: Maea Teuhema, Will Clapp, Ethan Pocic, Josh Boutte, Toby Weathersby
Edge: 2011
The skinny: Merely mentioning the first five doesn’t do the 2011 group justice. The first nine guys in the rotation had significant SEC experience and the 10th was five-star freshman La’El Collins. There never has been a deeper, more talented line at LSU than the 2011 group.
DEFENSIVE TACKLE
2011: Michael Brockers, Bennie Logan, Ego Ferguson, Anthony Johnson
2016: Christian LaCouture, Davon Godchaux, Greg Gilmore, Frank Herron
Edge: 2016
The skinny: There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth with this one, but remember that Brockers and Logan were sophomores on the ’11 team. Each member of the ’16 group has been on campus three or four years. I would expect the biggest improvement from this unit under Dave Aranda.
DEFENSIVE END
2011: Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Kendrick Adams, Lavar Edwards, Chancey Aghayere
2016: Lewis Neal, Arden Key, Tashawn Bower, Deondre Clark
Edge: 2011
The skinny: This wasn’t close. Key has the potential to be a superstar, but Mingo and Montgomery were All-Americans and every member of that 2011 unit got a crack in the NFL.
LINEBACKER
2011: Kevin Minter, Ryan Baker, Stefoin Francois
2016: Kendall Beckwith, Duke Riley, Donnie Alexander
Edge: Even
The skinny: Minter was a year away from his breakout season and there wasn’t much help. LSU largely benefitted from having an extra defensive back on the field in 2011, a strategy it likely will choose to implement in 2016.
CORNERBACK
2011: Morris Claiborne, Tyrann Mathieu, Tharold Simon, Ron Brooks
2016: Tre’Davious White, Kevin Toliver, Donte Jackson, Dwayne Thomas
Edge: 2011
The skinny: The 2016 group has an All-American and two potential first-round picks – and it still isn’t close. The 2011 group had the Jim Thorpe Award winner – and that wasn’t the guy who ended up in New York as a Heisman finalist.
SAFETY
2011: Eric Reid, Brandon Taylor
2016: Jamal Adams, Rickey Jefferson
Edge: 2011
The skinny: Adams is the best safety at LSU since Reid, but he isn’t Reid yet. Taylor was the glue of the 2011 defense, a guy the 2016 group is lacking.
SPECIAL TEAMS
2011: P Brad Wing, K Drew Alleman, RS Tyrann Mathieu and Michael Ford
2016: P Josh Growden, K Trent Domingue, RS Derrius Guice and Tre’Davious White
Edge: 2011
The skinny: Don’t forget how Mathieu changed the Arkansas and Georgia games with electrifying returns. Wing’s 2011 season was the best for a punter in LSU history. Alleman converted 88 percent of his field-goal attempts.
THE VERDICT
The 2011 squad gets the nod in six of the 11 position groups, but it is closer than many would expect. That is, unless you’re McFarland.
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 6:40 am
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:47 am to Penrod
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QUARTERBACK 2011: Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson 2016: Brandon Harris Edge: 2011
Stopped there. He needs to fix his brain.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:49 am to Penrod
I love our DT's, but no way are they better than that 2011 lineup. Brockers is criminally underrated because he really only played one season here.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:50 am to Penrod
Why don't we wait till the 2016 season is over before we start comparing them to 2011. How is the 2018 team stacking up?
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:51 am to Penrod
Didn't want to screw up the article format, so I'll respond here.
1.QB 2011?
those guys were bad. That entire offense had inflated statistics because our defense and special teams broke the spirit of the other team. If BH doesn't improve at all it's even. But he will, so the edge is with 2016.
2. DL 2016? There would have to be a remarkable improvement. Michael Brockers was a third year guy who dominated the best college lines inculding Bama twice. Bennie Logan was better than anyone on 2016. This, and the secondary, were the strength of the 2011 team.
3. OL 2011? Sure they were experienced and deep. They were also bad. The 2011 team could not muster two starters on the 2016 line. They might get shutout completely if you combined them. That line, with QB, was the weakness of the 2011 team.
I'd call DE even and give the nod to the 2011 TEs, but these are close calls. I've never followed Moscona, but based on this, he's a knucklehead.
1.QB 2011?
those guys were bad. That entire offense had inflated statistics because our defense and special teams broke the spirit of the other team. If BH doesn't improve at all it's even. But he will, so the edge is with 2016. 2. DL 2016? There would have to be a remarkable improvement. Michael Brockers was a third year guy who dominated the best college lines inculding Bama twice. Bennie Logan was better than anyone on 2016. This, and the secondary, were the strength of the 2011 team.
3. OL 2011?
Sure they were experienced and deep. They were also bad. The 2011 team could not muster two starters on the 2016 line. They might get shutout completely if you combined them. That line, with QB, was the weakness of the 2011 team. I'd call DE even and give the nod to the 2011 TEs, but these are close calls. I've never followed Moscona, but based on this, he's a knucklehead.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:52 am to Oddibe
quote:
Why don't we wait till the 2016 season is over before we start comparing them to 2011
quote:
How is the 2018 team stacking up?
Do you want to know, or do you want to wait?
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:56 am to Addison Tiger
The 2011 QB group is better than they get credit for here. The problem is mostly that it was a split group, and neither QB could survive without the other one. Because they had so much experience though, the coaches knew how to adjust for their flaws, making them deadly efficient.
They combined to complete 62.6% of their passes for 21 TDs to 5 interceptions, 7.7 YPA, and a QB rating of 147.7. And that's including the shittastic last 2 games of the season.
If Harris puts up that stay line, how many games would you say the 2016 team wins? It's more than 10.
They combined to complete 62.6% of their passes for 21 TDs to 5 interceptions, 7.7 YPA, and a QB rating of 147.7. And that's including the shittastic last 2 games of the season.
If Harris puts up that stay line, how many games would you say the 2016 team wins? It's more than 10.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:56 am to Penrod
Before Alabama game Lee was one of the top qbs in the country. Harris was bad last year and is still unproven.
Lee was over 60 pct with 14 tds and 3 ints facing the hardest schedule lsu ever had while splitting time and not playing at the end of the season.
Lee was over 60 pct with 14 tds and 3 ints facing the hardest schedule lsu ever had while splitting time and not playing at the end of the season.
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 7:09 am
Posted on 6/4/16 at 7:10 am to Penrod
When did Matt start writing articles
Posted on 6/4/16 at 7:12 am to Penrod
quote:sorry. I fat fingered a down vote.
Do you want to know, or do you want to wait?
Posted on 6/4/16 at 7:30 am to Catman88
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Before Alabama game Lee was one of the top qbs in the country.
No he wasn't. He wasn't among the top 50. LSU had the Al Davis 1970s philosophy in which you rely on dominant defense and dominant running to set up the vertical passing game. Our running game was fairly good, considering our line talent was mediocre, but our defense, and special teams, was superlative.
We produced three-and-outs and turnovers that kept our offense on the field and wore out the opposing defense. This set up the passing game. No opponent feared our passing game. They played run first, and pass rushed second. They loaded the box so much that year that our WRs were almost always isolated on a single DB. For QBs it was taking candy from a baby. Our QBs had time and wide open receivers - until they played Bama.
Faced with a defense that could line up honestly, without selling out to stop the run, our QBs were helpless. They simply could not function against a real pass defense and pass rush. They were bad.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 7:34 am to Penrod
Moscona;dr
Posted on 6/4/16 at 7:35 am to Oddibe
Mingo was a backup in 2011, not an all American. Great player off the bench though. I'd take Gaudchaux in his third season over Logan (third year, first year starting) in 2011. I'd take this linebacker core too. Minter split time with Hatcher, Beckwith will be a top 2-3 round draft pick. White, Tolliver, Smith and Jackson are dam close to Claiborne, Mathie, Simon and Brooks in terms of coverage ability, don't have a playmaker like Mathieu and that's a big deal. Adams can certainly play at Reid's level, but Jefferson/Thomas will have to elevate their play the way Taylor did his last season.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 7:36 am to Penrod
He wasn't #1 in efficiency in the SEC? He was top 10 in country in effenciency. 131 passes without an int. First lsu qb since Tyler to throw a td in each of the first 8 games. Stop me when Harris has come close to any of this shite....
Posted on 6/4/16 at 7:56 am to Catman88
good article. I can nitpick but its surprisingly solid for moscona, who pretty much sucks in general.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 7:56 am to Penrod
quote:
Lee was the most efficient quarterback in the SEC before being benched when Jefferson returned from suspension.
Stopped reading this moron's piece right here. What a dishonest or uninformed tub of shite.
Thanks for copying the text OP so we don't have to give that nerd a click
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:03 am to Addison Tiger
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Stopped there. He needs to fix his brain.
I guess I'm the only person that remembers Lee leading the SEC in QB efficiency through 8 games. The revisionist history that happens here regarding our QB play that year is pretty comical. The three biggest games had dud performances by the QBs (mostly Jefferson obviously), but there was a lot of good QB play for the first 2/3 of the season.
ETA: Nice to see I'm not he only person that remembers.
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 8:06 am
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:06 am to Tiger Voodoo
What's his dishonesty regarding Lee's 2011 effic rating?
Its apparent Matt M banged your sister or gf, but my goodness guy, don't go full tard on us.
Its apparent Matt M banged your sister or gf, but my goodness guy, don't go full tard on us.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:12 am to Penrod
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2011: Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson 2016: Brandon Harris Edge: 2011
Dumbest shite I have ever read on here, which is quite the accomplishment , laughing at you Moscona, did he even watch the games ??
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:44 am to ecb
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did he even watch the games ??
One might ask you the same thing.
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