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Martin isn't ready
Posted on 1/31/15 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 1/31/15 at 3:08 pm
Mickey can't do this by himself. TQ and Hornsby are our 2nd and 3rd best players
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Posted on 1/31/15 at 3:09 pm to UnAnon
One more year Martin!
Posted on 1/31/15 at 3:09 pm to UnAnon
Hornsby is just a player
Martin is just an athlete
Mickey is a bit of both
Martin is just an athlete
Mickey is a bit of both
Posted on 1/31/15 at 3:09 pm to UnAnon
This was evident since the 1st game of the season
Posted on 1/31/15 at 4:22 pm to UnAnon
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TQ and Hornsby are our 2nd and 3rd best players
The same TQ who went 1/10 today and wasted so many possessions late in the game by jacking up 3s from the timeline? Sure... And if you noticed, Miss St gameplan was to take Martin away and give TQ and Hornsby all the 3s they wanted... Especially TQ. Their gameplan was to let TQ shoot all he wants and take away Martin because he's pretty damn good.
Martin got just 4 shots today. You gotta give some credit to Miss St D. And at the same time, you gotta wonder why CJJ didn't set up any plays to help get Martin the ball and wonder why our players didn't do a better job at trying to get Martin the ball more. Because it seemed like he barely had the ball in his hands and we barely looked for him or went his way.
And this game also shows how much Martin means to this team. Mickey had probably the best game of his career today with his 25pts, 20rebs, and a handful of blocks. And we still lost to a bad Miss St team. Martin needs to demand the ball more, but at the same time CJJ needs to find ways to get him the ball more and our players on the floor need to do a better job at getting him the ball. When we are in our halfcourt offense and Martin doesn't get at least 1 touch, it's a bad possession.
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 1/31/15 at 4:23 pm to KG5989
Martin looks ready....for a subway sandwich.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 4:28 pm to UnAnon
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TQ and Hornsby are our 2nd and 3rd best players
Da frick?
Martin is pretty much leading the SEC in scoring. He had some bad fouls which resulted in a poor game. He is a very good player though. Wayyyyy better than TQ and Hornsby.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 4:42 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
OP I'm not saying Martin is ready for the NBA. I am saying at worse, he is the second best player on the team by far. I love Hornsby and TQ because they give effort every game. When both play well along with M@M, LSU is hard to beat.
LSUs problem is lack of depth. Think about this: according to the announcers today only three teams play their bench less than LSU, and TQ averages over 31 minutes a game.
LSUs problem is lack of depth. Think about this: according to the announcers today only three teams play their bench less than LSU, and TQ averages over 31 minutes a game.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 4:47 pm to NotRight37
Martin plays the most minutes in the conference. Hornsby plays the 2nd most. Mickey plays the 7th most. And TQ plays the 8th most.
4 players on our team are in the top 10 in minutes played in the SEC. No other team has more than 1.
Thats pretty ridiculous.
4 players on our team are in the top 10 in minutes played in the SEC. No other team has more than 1.
Thats pretty ridiculous.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 4:53 pm to KG5989
So what does that say? Do you think Jones is doing a good enough job in talent evaluations?
Posted on 1/31/15 at 4:54 pm to NotRight37
Just not a real good basketball team, bottom line. Couple of fair players but nothing special. Nobody who can shoot the rock, but that's been the story for the past 10 years. If the guys coming in next year are as good as their supposed to be, maybe this team will be better. BTW, if Martin and Hickey are ready for the NBA, so am !!!
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 1/31/15 at 5:06 pm to seinfeldtiger
Seinfeld, you have a good point. JJ can clearly bring in some stars. LSU has some SEC type players as well(6 on this team), but Epps, Elbert, Malone, Odo, and Bridgewater all have a ways to go.
I actually think Darcy played as well as he is capable today. Bridgewater should be a football player and Epps and Elbert are young and may or may not develop.
I actually think Darcy played as well as he is capable today. Bridgewater should be a football player and Epps and Elbert are young and may or may not develop.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 5:18 pm to seinfeldtiger
For the most part, yes.
It's just his 3rd season. And he basically had to start from scratch considering that the only above average player he inherited was JOB3. And you add in the fact that Trent Johnson was a bad recruiter and Jones has to rebuild a lot of relationships with coaches, players, etc. Trent Johnson pretty much scorched the recruting trail here and JJ had to rebuild it.
And considering how fluid college bball is with 1 and dones and such strict scholarship limits, it's extremely hard to build depth for 99% of the schools out there.
I mean Mickey and Martin are 2 of the best players we have had in a while. Hornsby was a great find. He got TQ out of Georgia. Jalyn Patterson was a great find out of Florida and a very underrated player. And we have the best player in the nation coming to LSU in Ben Simmons and the best SG in Blakeney next year.
College bball is just extremely fluid and hard to have a team with great starters and depth. The only teams that can do it are Kentucky, Duke, Arizona, Louisville, etc. And even teams that are traditional powerhouses struggle with too.
And we've improved each year under him, something a lot of people tend to forget or ignore. And he had 39wins in his first 2 seasons which is the the most in LSU history for a coach in his first 2 seasons.
It's just his 3rd season. And he basically had to start from scratch considering that the only above average player he inherited was JOB3. And you add in the fact that Trent Johnson was a bad recruiter and Jones has to rebuild a lot of relationships with coaches, players, etc. Trent Johnson pretty much scorched the recruting trail here and JJ had to rebuild it.
And considering how fluid college bball is with 1 and dones and such strict scholarship limits, it's extremely hard to build depth for 99% of the schools out there.
I mean Mickey and Martin are 2 of the best players we have had in a while. Hornsby was a great find. He got TQ out of Georgia. Jalyn Patterson was a great find out of Florida and a very underrated player. And we have the best player in the nation coming to LSU in Ben Simmons and the best SG in Blakeney next year.
College bball is just extremely fluid and hard to have a team with great starters and depth. The only teams that can do it are Kentucky, Duke, Arizona, Louisville, etc. And even teams that are traditional powerhouses struggle with too.
And we've improved each year under him, something a lot of people tend to forget or ignore. And he had 39wins in his first 2 seasons which is the the most in LSU history for a coach in his first 2 seasons.
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 1/31/15 at 5:23 pm to NotRight37
As I said from game 1. This team lacks a true small forward that can make shots and can take the ball to the basket. The Frontcourt can't play big, because M&M can't play the 3. I'm for playing big, if Malone gets to play pick and roll and stretch the floor while screening. Other than that. Just doesn't work
Posted on 1/31/15 at 5:30 pm to seinfeldtiger
With the lineup we roll with, yes we don't have a 3.
But I think that's mainly because we don't have a legit center. If we had a legit center ready to go, Martin could kick out to the 3 full time and Mickey stays at the 4. But we don't.
But I think that's mainly because we don't have a legit center. If we had a legit center ready to go, Martin could kick out to the 3 full time and Mickey stays at the 4. But we don't.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 5:41 pm to NotRight37
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JJ can clearly bring in some stars. LSU has some SEC type players as well(6 on this team), but Epps, Elbert, Malone, Odo, and Bridgewater all have a ways to go.
I actually think Darcy played as well as he is capable today. Bridgewater should be a football player and Epps and Elbert are young and may or may not develop.
Quartermann was absolutely awful last year and the staff has developed him nicely.
It may sound like a cop out but Trent left the basketball program cupboard worse off than any LSU coach since Hallman. He came into a team that had 1 signee and only 2 sophmores none of which are with the team.
Tough to have depth even in year three with that.
ETA: From Shavon Coleman, Carmouche, Martin Mickey, Quatermann, Patterson-> Jones not only has an eye for stars but has brought in plenty of role players too.
Lets let this season and next season play out.
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 1/31/15 at 5:45 pm to KG5989
Again, that's the problem. You think Martin can play the 3. I don't.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 5:53 pm to KG5989
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Martin isn't ready Martin plays the most minutes in the conference. Hornsby plays the 2nd most. Mickey plays the 7th most. And TQ plays the 8th most. 4 players on our team are in the top 10 in minutes played in the SEC. No other team has more than 1. Thats pretty ridiculous.
It a incredible really...that right there lies the problem. relying way too much on those four players wiith little bench support especially for M&M
Posted on 1/31/15 at 5:58 pm to tiggah1981
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It a incredible really...that right there lies the problem. relying way too much on those four players wiith little bench support especially for M&M
See my above post. Literally every player from the previous regime is gone. Trent was pathetic. This past class has some guys who will be players->Patterson, epps, Robinson but none of those guys were supposed to be program changers so essentially what we have is a class and a half of players that we are playing with.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 6:22 pm to Adam Banks
Not to throw it in LSUzealot's face, we're all tiger fans here, but that prediction on Martin looks pretty fricking dumb. All-Star? Dude has no intensity, and just fades. Let's look at his SEC games...pretty impressive. (That's sarcasm)
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