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Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:47 am to reauxl tigers7
I blame perrilloux
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:49 am to reauxl tigers7
I agree with everything you said, and I still think Harris will be absolutely terri-bad next year even as a junior.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:54 am to baybeefeetz
quote:It's not all on Perrilloux.
I blame perrilloux
Saban did not have a QB sign in February 2004.
Saban did not have a QB commit for February 2005.
Saban created the Perrilloux problem by not having any 2004 or 2005 competition for Perrilloux. Perrilloux thought he had all of the leverage.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:54 am to reauxl tigers7
And when I tell people, the Les Miles can't develop a QB, all started with Perrilloux getting kicked off the team they laugh.
Then after Zach Mett passed for 3000 yards we had a 5 star QB leave us on signing day. Again that kills Miles when your trying to "develop"a QB.
Also Haydn Rettig, he was a elite 11 QB out of high school.
Why can't we keep guys like this on the roster for their senior season? Like Blake Sims.
Now 2015 we have had a elite QB committed for over a year only to lose him.
The freshman campaign for QBs will only continue if we sign a good QB this February.
Then after Zach Mett passed for 3000 yards we had a 5 star QB leave us on signing day. Again that kills Miles when your trying to "develop"a QB.
Also Haydn Rettig, he was a elite 11 QB out of high school.
Why can't we keep guys like this on the roster for their senior season? Like Blake Sims.
Now 2015 we have had a elite QB committed for over a year only to lose him.
The freshman campaign for QBs will only continue if we sign a good QB this February.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:00 am to reauxl tigers7
Good post. Thanks for the time put in. Only thing I would say doesn't jive with the rest of your post is this:
Can we really call Mett an underclassman at that point? He had a lot of game time under his belt albeit at the Juco level but it was still more than some of the "experienced" QBs referenced in the OP. Just my 2 cents
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When LSU starts underclassmen at QB, these are the results:
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2012: 10-3 (6-2 SEC) lost to Bama
Can we really call Mett an underclassman at that point? He had a lot of game time under his belt albeit at the Juco level but it was still more than some of the "experienced" QBs referenced in the OP. Just my 2 cents
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:01 am to reauxl tigers7
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Saban has the key, veteran QB's with experience.
AJ McCarron won the national title in his first year as a starter.
Blake Sims took Alabama to the playoffs last year in his first year as a starter.
Jake Coker is taking Alabama to the playoffs this year in his first year as a starter.
All of these quarterbacks had less experience than both Jennings and Harris coming into this year.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:03 am to reauxl tigers7
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. This made me wonder if we are overreacting to every disappointing season.
Yes, in every sport
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:09 am to etm512
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Can we really call Mett an underclassman at that point? He had a lot of game time under his belt albeit at the Juco level but it was still more than some of the "experienced" QBs referenced in the OP. Just my 2 cents
Fair point. Even putting 2012 in the veteran list still proves the trend. 10 win season with only 2 SEC losses. Similar to 2010.
Even more proof that our only down years are with first or second year players in the system at QB
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:10 am to Cs
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All of these quarterbacks had less experience than both Jennings and Harris coming into this year.
Game experience-yes
But time in the program, time with the offense-no
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:12 am to Cs
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All of these quarterbacks had less experience than both Jennings and Harris coming into this year.
Yes, and there's a big difference between a true freshman/sophomore starter with no experience and a redshirt soph/junior/senior starting with no experience.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:13 am to reauxl tigers7
So Im guessing we should have stuck with Jennings this year then
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:13 am to Cs
quote:Like so many other fans, you place too big of a limitation on the word "experience."
AJ McCarron won the national title in his first year as a starter.
Blake Sims took Alabama to the playoffs last year in his first year as a starter.
Jake Coker is taking Alabama to the playoffs this year in his first year as a starter.
All of these quarterbacks had less experience than both Jennings and Harris coming into this year.
You think QBs can only gain experience and learn in games. bullshite.
You think QBs can only gain experience and develop as passers if they pass in games. bullshite.
QBs, like every other position, learn and develop their skills in practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom.
Mechanics are honed and fixed in practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom.
Decision making is taught and crafted in practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom.
In practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom, the coach can focus on and correct problems: mental, physical, and mechanical.
QBs acquire experience through practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom. The more years a QB has on campus, the more time the QB spends in practice, the film room, and coach's classroom. Thus, more years in college equals better developed QB.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:16 am to Cs
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AJ McCarron won the national title in his first year as a starter. Blake Sims took Alabama to the playoffs last year in his first year as a starter. Jake Coker is taking Alabama to the playoffs this year in his first year as a starter. All of these quarterbacks had less experience than both Jennings and Harris coming into this year.
You're using a different definition of "experience" than the OP. Years in college matter when talking about a QBs ability to succeed. Whether they were playing or not, and in LSUs case it seems that early playing time is actually what is most harmful to a QB.
McCarron was in his third year on campus, Sims his fifth, and Coker is also five years out of HS, though it's only his second at Bama.
But sitting for two years to watch and learn is a very good thing for a QB most of the time, and the inability of LSU to bring QBs along slowly has likely been a major factor in many of them being shellshocked that limits their overall ability to improve.
We saw the benefits of a slow progression with Flynn and even as the previous posting pointed out, Mett.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:16 am to reauxl tigers7
Of note, since Saban has been at Bama, his only QB recruits to start are McCarron and Sims, and Sims wouldn't have had Coker lived up to expectations.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 8:20 am
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:17 am to Cs
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All of these quarterbacks had less experience than both Jennings and Harris coming into this year.
Less game experience yes. But they've been learning in practice and in film rooms. Also more physically ready after more years in their S and C program.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:22 am to SPEEDY
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So Im guessing we should have stuck with Jennings this year then
C'Mon man!
The point is that players tend to get better year over year. That doesn't mean that older are ALWAYS better then younger players.
The coaches make that decision based on what they see in practice. They determined that Harris gave LSU a better chance to win than Jennings.
Your point, if you have one, is easily shown to be stupid.
In mid-season 2014, was Beckwith better than Welter even though Welter had more experience?
Nevertheless, was Beckwith in 2014 better than Beckwith in 2013?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:22 am to Salviati
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It's not all on Perrilloux. Saban did not have a QB sign in February 2004. Saban did not have a QB commit for February 2005.
This is rarely pointed out or understood.
And it goes far beyond just the QB position. The fact that Miles was only able to bring in 13 players in his first class because of the disaster he took over from a distracted Saban is the main reason for the 08-09 downturn after the 07 season saw so many upperclassmen depart.
That 05 class should have been the veteran core of those teams but there simply wasn't the depth to do it. It wasn't until the 06 and 07 class came of age in 2010 that Les finally had a full cupboard of veterans and that is when we went on the only 4 year streak of double digit wins in school history.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:27 am to reauxl tigers7
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reauxl tigers7
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:36 am to reauxl tigers7
Was thinking about this last night as well.
Heck, go back to Saban's 5 years here. What were the common denominators in the 2 best years? Veteran QBs. LSU won the SEC in 2001 with a senior QB (Rohan Davey) and the SEC & NC in 2003 with an experienced junior (Matt Mauck). 2002 was a bad year (5 losses) after Mauck was hurt and a young Marcus Randall was forced to play. 2004 was an up and down year as Randall and a freshman Jamarcus Russell split time.
Heck, go back to Saban's 5 years here. What were the common denominators in the 2 best years? Veteran QBs. LSU won the SEC in 2001 with a senior QB (Rohan Davey) and the SEC & NC in 2003 with an experienced junior (Matt Mauck). 2002 was a bad year (5 losses) after Mauck was hurt and a young Marcus Randall was forced to play. 2004 was an up and down year as Randall and a freshman Jamarcus Russell split time.
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