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Posted on 7/20/15 at 12:03 pm to Guava Jelly
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So yesterday you were castigating people for not being open minded enough in discussions about QBs, yet all your posts on the subject have clear slant?
What slant would that be? Up until my last post, my only contribution to this thread is that experience QBs are typically able to perform at a higher level than inexperienced QBs.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 12:15 pm to GermantownTiger
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Lol ok so now experience equates to maturity. Got it
Bro, are you this dumb in person?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 12:18 pm to SwampyLSU
I have yet to say anything dumb. The only experience that matters is on the field experience... Lol that's what experience is. Ask jake Coker
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/20/15 at 12:28 pm to GermantownTiger
Posted on 7/20/15 at 12:37 pm to Bmath
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Jennings has shown flashes
Not hating on him, but I haven't seen said flashes. One or 2 throws a game doesn't equal "flashes" IMHO. Mett in 2012 was inconsistent but showed flashes. It showed he COULD be a great QB with a little more experience. I kept waiting to see that same promise from AJ but never did. For every good throw/decision he made it seemed he made 4 or 5 bad ones.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 12:47 pm to GermantownTiger
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I have yet to say anything dumb. The only experience that matters is on the field experience... Lol that's what experience is. Ask jake Coker
So Zach Mettenberger never grew from the time he got kicked of the Georgia Football team as an 18 year old freshman to his first start at LSU? Blake Simms didnt start at QB until his senior year and he was able to bring his team to the playoffs with little to no in game experience. I doubt he could have done that as a true freshman. Experience comes in all shapes and forms but if there's one constant to all of it, it's time.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 1:40 pm to chilge1
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Up until my last post, my only contribution to this thread is that experience QBs are typically able to perform at a higher level than inexperienced QBs.
As a premise defend the argument that AJ should start (were it not for arrests). I'm at work, so I'm not going to paste each of your quotes to show you your biases.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 1:45 pm to Guava Jelly
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As a premise defend the argument that AJ should start (were it not for arrests).
Prior to the arrests, I fully believed Anthony Jennings should have started because I fully believe that there are decades' worth of evidence suggesting that the junior QB with 13 career starts will perform better than the sophomore QB with 1 career start.
Brandon Harris is easily the more talented of the two with the higher ceiling and sharper learning curve.... but I don't get to attend practices and I don't buy into him beating up on an overly confidence MSST team and an overmatched NMST team. So until I hear from the powers that be that Harris is clearly the better option and he will be the starting QB, or until I see Harris shredding competent defenses in a complementary role, my belief will not change.
I do, believe, however, that no player that brings negative light to the program should be starting games for us when there is a similarly capable player who has not done so.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:03 pm to chilge1
So because of things that happened decades ago, that's why Anthony Jennings should start? That's the dumbest bullshite argument I have heard on here yet. What about this? Performance. One guy has been given his chance and has done zero with it. Why hold back a guy because he was born a year later if his talent is so much greater? So welter should keep starting over beckwith last year because he knew the defense better?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:06 pm to chilge1
Conventional wisdom says go with the more experienced guy unless the other guy gives you a better shot at winning.
Arguing that it's a better decision to start AJ because of experience, then saying you think Miss State was overrated doesn't help your argument. AJ was 50% passing with no TDs in that game. And he couldn't get a drive started to save his life.
The reason so many people are pushing back against conventional wisdom when it comes to this debate is that one QB is clearly more talented. And if the more experienced guy is going to lead the team to an 8/9 win season, people would just as soon see what the more talented guy can do.
Arguing that it's a better decision to start AJ because of experience, then saying you think Miss State was overrated doesn't help your argument. AJ was 50% passing with no TDs in that game. And he couldn't get a drive started to save his life.
The reason so many people are pushing back against conventional wisdom when it comes to this debate is that one QB is clearly more talented. And if the more experienced guy is going to lead the team to an 8/9 win season, people would just as soon see what the more talented guy can do.
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:18 pm to GermantownTiger
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Harris has more experience then cardale jones had, or Sims, or nick Marshall did the year they made the title. Or more than AJ had for 2011 bama. Or Greg Mac for 2008 bama
You're exactly right. The problem is that Harris has something that none of those lesser experienced but very successful quarterbacks had.
Les Miles and his 1970's offense.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:21 pm to Guava Jelly
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Conventional wisdom says go with the more experienced guy unless the other guy gives you a better shot at winning.
Which I trust the coaching staff to determine. Last year, it was determined that guy was Anthony Jennings... the majority of the offseason reports indicated that both were progressing, but that Anthony Jennings was slightly ahead of Brandon Harris.
I don't expect that to be the case with only one of the quarterbacks practicing with the team, but this was a rather recent development and I don't have access privileges to the practice facility to see what separation is being made.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:37 pm to dboyback
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BH played alot last year.
How much did he play after Auburn?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:52 pm to chilge1
Yet, you say he was ahead slightly (which no one knows), but was outperformed again in the spring game for the 2nd straight year and has been outperformed during the regular season. The fans see results on the field, those results say Brandon Harris is far superior. I don't give a shite if he is Tom Brady in practice, that's means nothing if it doesn't translate to the field
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:54 pm to dboyback
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BH played alot last year
Lol, what team were you watching last year!?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 3:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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How much did he play after Auburn?
touche
Posted on 7/20/15 at 3:01 pm to chilge1
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I fully believed Anthony Jennings should have started because I fully believe that there are decades' worth of evidence suggesting that the junior QB with 13 career starts will perform better than the sophomore QB with 1 career start.
But that is not the case with the LSU qb situation.....Even with his experience,AJ didn't look any better against ND than he did against Iowa in the bowl the year before...
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:49 pm to say when
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Les Miles and his 1970's offense.
stop regurgitating dumbass myths from TR.
We have a modern prostyle offense. It's just Miles plays to our strengths, which differs from hear to year depending on the qb. Having a ball control offense doesn't mean its outdated. We throw the ball a lot when we have a decent qb.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 7:25 pm to SwampyLSU
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So Zach Mettenberger never grew from the time he got kicked of the Georgia Football team as an 18 year old freshman to his first start at LSU? Blake Simms didnt start at QB until his senior year and he was able to bring his team to the playoffs with little to no in game experience. I doubt he could have done that as a true freshman. Experience comes in all shapes and forms but if there's one constant to all of it, it's time.
You know why Bama's offense succeeded the majority of games? A little thing called creativity. The biggest problem an LSU offense has always lacked was creativity. Kiffin knew how to expose mismatches by moving guys around,setting picks etc. He also knew which play to call off of the previous play. You set up each play for the next.The way you counter inexperience is nice and easy throws and Bama had the best receiver in college football to feed those easy throws too at least 5-6+ times a game. We fail to do that for whatever reason and instead telegraph plays into the teeth of the D. I hope it changes this year.
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 7:27 pm
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