LSU in a 4-3 Under

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think Bain

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Considering most teams we play run some sort of spread, you can pretty much say our base defense is nickel. I mean, Lamar Louis was our starting SAM, and probably averaged less than 10 snaps a game on defense.

An under front would not work as our base defense. One of those fat boys in the middle would have to come off the field majority of the time.

This is a very versatile defense if you have the talent to run it

Your 1-tech is the bigger DT nose tackle type player
LaCouture, Gilmore, Alexander

Your athletic DT's play a inside 4-tech on the strongside
Godchaux, Herron, Lawrence

Weakside DE's are bigger because they play over the backside tackle
Neal, Logan, Lawerence, Clark, maybe Bower

Stongeside DE's play over the TE and are speed rushers
Key, Bower, Teuhema, Washington

Weakside LB plays close to the line of scrimmage and can rush the Passer
Possibly Key, Bower, Teuhema, Washington, Patterson, Thornton, Anthony

From the naked eye it looks like a 3-4 base defense

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LSU in a 4-3 Under
I have been trying to understand this scheme a little better

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I don't think you came to the right place.

wow thanks those are some thorough break downs

Thanks. The links are a bit dated. That Trojan site has more stuff on Carrol's defense somewhere.

What Carrol is doing at Seattle has numerous articles.

I really like the 4-3 under and I think LSU attracts the type of athletes who make it work. It is a lot like what Pelini when he was at LSU and has concepts of what Saban did here also.

The beauty of the scheme is how is can morph into a 3-4/4-3 when needed.

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weren't we a 4-3 under when Saban was here? saw a similar link to what you posted back when comparing what we did with what Carroll ran at SC.

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We ran a 4-3 with Saban. It was a special time because we had TWO bookend DE at 6-4 300lbs that could move (Spears and Hill) a good 3 tech DL (Lavalais) and a solid..maybe under-rate at the time...NT (Kyle Williams).

For example, DE M. Spears dropped into zone coverage during the 2003 Championship game with Okla and comes away with a INT pick 6.

Quick..name the LBs from 2003? If you could do that in 5 seconds either you are like Rainman or really know LSU football. Why? Because that defensive line with very good safeties and CBs covered up the rather average linebacker corp.

Also remember in that same year, Saban converted a safety into a LB (Eric Alexander) due to a lack of LBs. It was a very wise move.

I never was a fan of Chavis' system. The pros include it is easy to implement (as evident by TxAggie defense improvement this year), but it was all based on speed and aggression. Not much discipline. And it was predictable. I think the athletes are available in LA and surrounding area for a more advance defense.

Can Steele pull it off? Dunno how much time he has left at LSU. I think we can see the beginning of it this year. Having Ed Orgeron coaching is a huge plus. He knows the system and knows the type of player it needs, especially on the DL and coverage.

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Lionel Turner, Cam Vaughn and Eric Alexander. I think Adrian Mayes was somewhere floating around at OLB too. what do I win?

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Congrats? Mayes was also a converted safety.

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I was. just wasn't a fan of his inability to recruit to it consistently.

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I think he recruited well for it, just the system had limitations and his inability to develop talent at the front seven.

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We need to stick with nickel. No Lb talent.

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we can't play nickel all the time. Bama and Arkansas aren't leaving the schedule.

Plus you can play against 3 WR sets while still in 4-3 under.

If we move to a 4-3 over 1 LB is essentially a speedy DE. The Seahawks use Cliff Avril as their sam. he played DE in Detroits traditional 4-3.

If we play a traditional 4-3 we have to recruit 3 traditional linebacker positions.

a 4-3 under lets us recruit 2 traditional linebackers and a pass rusher type guy.

We don't seem to have a problem recruiting that type of player (Mingo, Key, Hunter)

it may be a transition process but i think it would be a good fit for LSU. Its a pretty interesting technique.

we need to build our defense to stop Bama. They build their to stop us. You can' go to nickel from any base, but we shouldn't build to a nickel