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re: LSU Basketball Week in Review WE 2/1/15
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:22 am to T
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:22 am to T
quote:I will agree that he doesn't offer much with helpside defense down low, but he does a real good job at helping out on screens and always makes an effort to box out.
however his terrible helpside defense and his refusal to block out are not. he has to get more aggressive asap or he will continue to be a liability.
Plus he is much more developed on offense, so you want to keep getting him involved on that side to cancel out the shortcomings.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 10:24 am
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:30 am to SouthOfSouth
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but he blocks out the second a shot is put up.
that is false, especially for free throws. at one point earlier this season I think it was Hornsby that pulled him from the low block and switched because he is so bad at blocking out.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:34 am to T
I'm not one to argue. Simply inform and state opinion.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:36 am to T
quote:That can happen if another team's big guy is at the line. As SoS mentioned, sometimes the other guy is just faster to a spot. That and he really just isn't strong enough of a rebounder. But to claim that he "refuses" to box out is just flat wrong. There are plenty of plays where he blocks out and someone else on LSU picks up the rebound... as it should be.
that is false, especially for free throws. at one point earlier this season I think it was Hornsby that pulled him from the low block and switched because he is so bad at blocking out.
Additionally, he jumps out to help on a lot of drives (not usually from one side of the basket to the other) so his man will be free to rebound unless someone else picks him up for a box out.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 10:37 am
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:39 am to mmcgrath
You're right. I always watch him when shots go up and he does make the effort, he's honestly just a poor rebounder due to lack of strength and physicality.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:47 am to mmcgrath
Focus on him next game. He is completely lost when it comes to rebounding a basketball. Want to hear an amazing statistic? In SEC play Darcy Malone has played 112 minutes and has 5 defensive rebounds. That number is absolutely crazy for a 7 footer who spends most of his time around the goal. These coaches have got to get him to play more aggressive inside.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:01 am to T
I honestly believe Odo can do the two things we're asking Darcy to do better than he can. I don't really care if Malone gets 3 points and 1 assist a game. We have 4 other guys on the court that can rack up those stats. We need him to defend and rebound and I really don't think Odo is much worse of a defender than Darcy and I'm damn sure he's a better rebounder.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:07 am to ALT F4
I am pleased to see some rationale posters in here. 
The play was very sloppy, the loss very disappointing. However, it did not warrant the "tournament killer" or "pack it in" reactions I saw on here immediately after the game. This team can still get better and end up competitive by tournament time.
The play was very sloppy, the loss very disappointing. However, it did not warrant the "tournament killer" or "pack it in" reactions I saw on here immediately after the game. This team can still get better and end up competitive by tournament time.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:07 am to ALT F4
Didn't Odo lead D2 in rebounding before going to North Texas? I'd absolutely rather Odo in than Malone.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:08 am to massiveattack
JUCO I thought but yeah...
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:09 am to ALT F4
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I honestly believe Odo can do the two things we're asking Darcy to do better than he can. I don't really care if Malone gets 3 points and 1 assist a game. We have 4 other guys on the court that can rack up those stats. We need him to defend and rebound and I really don't think Odo is much worse of a defender than Darcy and I'm damn sure he's a better rebounder.
All of this is opinion.
I think Darcy is a much better defender on larger opponents, while Odo does a better job with quicker guys.
I think Darcy allows offense to work smoother than Odo, but Odo does a better job rebounding.
I think Darcy has much more upside and can run the court very well for a 7 footer. He needs to work on some things for sure, but I think overall defensively he is a much better choice than Odo. I think offensively he is a much better choice. Rebounding is probably better for Odo, but I think Darcy does so many other things well and knowing that we allow perimeter guys to crash the boards makes it okay for Darcy to play.
Mickey had 20 rebounds against Miss St, in large part to Malone being able to contain his guy and allow Mickey to one on one go after rebounds, where he will win a lot of them. I think their is a direct coorelation to Mickey's rebound totals and Malone's playing time. I think he blocks his guy out, but does not attack the basketball to get rebounds.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:11 am to SouthOfSouth
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All of this is opinion.
No shite.
quote:
I think Darcy allows offense to work smoother than Odo
He's so smooth on offense that his teammates don't even throw him the ball when he's on the block because they know what's coming next.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:12 am to ALT F4
hostile... Goodness.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:14 am to SouthOfSouth
Well your "that is all opinion" statement came off as pretty snarky. Just because 2 people disagree with you on Malone's play doesn't necessitate you getting your panties in a bunch
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:18 am to ALT F4
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Well your "that is all opinion" statement came off as pretty snarky. Just because 2 people disagree with you on Malone's play doesn't necessitate you getting your panties in a bunch
I had no idea that came off snarky, and I certainly don't have my panties in a bunch.
I don't like to compare LSU players to other LSU players in a way that would put one or the other down. I know a lot of them and/or their families come on here and the last thing I want to do as an ambassador of the program is to make anyone feel shunned, left out, or under appreciated. I said it was strictly opinion to try and not validate it as anything more than a personal preference that isn't necessarily backed up by numbers, which is how I usually make statements.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 11:19 am
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:20 am to SouthOfSouth
Its all good. I don't think any of us are putting him down right now. However, T's stat of 5 defensive rebounds in 112 SEC minutes 
That HAS to improve if he's going to continue to get as many minutes as he does.
All that said, I thought it would take 12 SEC wins to get in the tourney. I'm hoping 11 does the trick because I think our margin for 12 is getting razor thin.
That HAS to improve if he's going to continue to get as many minutes as he does. All that said, I thought it would take 12 SEC wins to get in the tourney. I'm hoping 11 does the trick because I think our margin for 12 is getting razor thin.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:30 am to ALT F4
Team money Malone
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:07 pm to ALT F4
quote:They both have plus and minuses. For what it's worth, I thought that we developed a very nice second unit with both of them in at the same time last year before conference play started. For some reason we went away from it.
I honestly believe Odo can do the two things we're asking Darcy to do better than he can.
That has been my biggest criticism of Jones, as he doesn't use his bench well. So being that "next guy" after TQ and Patterson is going to be rough. I think it is because he isn't used to the talent difference between his stars and the rest of the team. He is making improvements, but I don't think you will see him fully adjust until next year. Too late for Odo unfortunately.
I think one of the announcers says he ranks 3rd from the bottom of all D-1 teams in using his bench. That is pretty telling.
BTW, here are the latest minutes per game in SEC play. Even with Martin's foul trouble he only fell to 3rd, and a full minute more than anyone not on his team:
1 37.5 Keith Hornsby Jr 6-4 210 8 LSU
2 37.0 Jordan Mickey So 6-8 235 8 LSU
3 36.875 Jarell Martin So 6-10 236 8 LSU
4 35.875 Keith Shamburger Sr 5-11 170 8 Missouri
5 35.375 Levi Randolph Sr 6-5 208 8 Alabama
6 34.75 Josh Richardson Sr 6-6 200 8 Tennessee
7 34.25 Danuel House Jr 6-7 195 8 Texas A&M
8 33.875 Tim Quarterman So 6-6 187 8 LSU
9 33.75 Alex Caruso Jr 6-5 183 8 Texas A&M
9 33.75 Riley LaChance Fr 6-2 194 8 Vanderbilt
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:55 pm to mmcgrath
Stat may be scewed since we've played 24 OT games already
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:18 pm to ALT F4
While that may be a bit of skewedness due to the OT games, we play our starters +Q a ton. I think it still gives us the best chance to win though. Doubt I would sub much differently than Jones.
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