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re: LSU Arrests vs. SEC: (updated July 2013)

Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

TigerBait2008


If you can't grasp the difference, you're ignorant and just don't care.

In three years to have issues with three high profile players in the off-season is going to seem worse because it gets more attention.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:52 pm to
So because of who it was we can blame Miles?
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

it's going to feel/look different


Only because you're an LSU fan
Posted by Waffle House
NYC
Member since Aug 2008
3945 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:53 pm to
It's obvious we need to stop recruiting players that have first names that start with the letter "J".
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

but when it's three high profile players like this with arrests or conduct issues, it's going to feel/look different.


That lists of players that have been arrested on first glance contains at least 4 first round draft picks, not to mention a Heisman trophy winner in Manziel.

Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:54 pm to
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

That lists of players that have been arrested on first glance contains at least 4 first round draft picks, not to mention a Heisman trophy winner in Manziel.


Bingo
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53718 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:54 pm to
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Wasnt on the team when he was arrested



I'm not looking at the straight numbers, but rather perception and why it feels different.

The perception of Miles isn't just based off the arrest number, but a perception of a lack of control....which runs deeper than just arrests...IE, Mathieu.

Look man, I agree with you. You're trying to back your case with stats, I get it. Thats what stat guys do. I'm just saying stats don't always tell the whole story.

To not include the Mathieu drama in a discussion about Miles and his control over the team because he wasn't on the team when he got arrested is just turning a blind eye to something very obvious.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53718 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

That lists of players that have been arrested on first glance contains at least 4 first round draft picks, not to mention a Heisman trophy winner in Manziel.

One 1 team?
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53718 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

Only because you're an LSU fan


Not at all...because they're high profile guys from the same team in a short span.

Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

perception


Doesn't equal reality when you look at the numbers objectively.

Although when did T BOB get his DUI? 2009?
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53718 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

So because of who it was we can blame Miles?


I never said anything of the sort.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

One 1 team?


No, but that's more first round draft picks and heisman winners than LSU has arrested. The guys on that list aren't a bunch of scrubs.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

Not at all...because they're high profile guys from the same team in a short span.


Like joekel and manziel?
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

Like joekel and manziel?
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:58 pm to
Wait the rant said miles has no control of the program


Oh wait the rant


Posted by Kingwood Tiger
Katy, TX
Member since Jul 2005
14162 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:58 pm to
Texas A&M:
Johnny Manziel (June 2012)
Kirby Ennis (Feb 2013)
Kyle Mangan (Aug 2011)
Ray Marshall (Dec 2012)
Jordan Richmond (Dec 2012)



This post was edited on 5/3/13 at 4:08 pm
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53718 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

Doesn't equal reality when you look at the numbers objectively

Anyone who has been around sports long enough knows that stats don't tell the whole story.

You're not looking at things objectively because you are dismissing the entire Mathieu cluster-F.

You want to back your point, I get it....don't try and convince people the Mathieve debacle didn't happen under Miles' watch.


Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18740 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

The perception of Miles isn't just based off the arrest number, but a perception of a lack of control....which runs deeper than just arrests...IE, Mathieu.


Ok include Mathieu, we're still one of the lowest.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53718 posts
Posted on 5/3/13 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

Not at all...because they're high profile guys from the same team in a short span.


Like joekel and manziel?


And A&M is getting hammered for it, as will LSU. Deservedly so. Doesn't matter if it is worse or not, it looks worse.
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