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re: LSU and Florida may discontinue playing each other every year

Posted on 3/2/12 at 11:28 am to
Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
2968 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 11:28 am to
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Who give a shite about the SEC champ game? It doesn't matter what matter is how you blow people out in games that it. SECCG is optional at best it's the BCS that is worth something.
and it is extremely unlikely that any SEC school not named BAMA could get into the BCSNC without winning the SECCG...
Posted by DrunkTigerBaiter
LGD
Member since Nov 2009
4514 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 11:30 am to
Good. I hate their fans
Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
2968 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 11:30 am to
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We will play Florida again, just not every year and we won;t replace them with only Vandy. In leui of playing Fla every year, we will play UGA, Tenn, and USCe along with UK and Vandy more often.
this.. i don't see whats so hard to understand...
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Since when did Duke and Towson State join the SEC?
Why is it that so many can't make an argument with out resorting to exaggeration and idiocy?
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 11:36 am to
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We will play Florida again, just not every year and we won;t replace them with only Vandy. In leui of playing Fla every year, we will play UGA, Tenn, and USCe along with UK and Vandy more often.


Then you're talking about doing away with perennial cross-divisional games. OK, that's fine with me and, I suspect, a lot of people. But it won't happen because Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn and Georgia won't let it happen. So, given that WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PERENNIAL CROSS-DIVISIONAL RIVALS, what is the advantage of trading Florida for some other SEC East team (which won't be Tennessee or Georgia because of their rivalries with Alabama and Auburn)? So, it's either South Carolina, Kentucky, Vandy or Missouri. Which one do we want to play every year instead of Florida?
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143616 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 11:37 am to
I suspect that the only way we won't be playing UF every year is if cross-divisional rivalries are done away with.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42317 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 11:51 am to
I still think the best solution is to move Auburn to the East and Missouri to the West

Auburn UGA rivalry intact
Tenn and Bama can stay intact
Let Florida play A&M or Mizzou
Let LSU play whatever is left in East
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 12:16 pm to
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I still think the best solution is to move Auburn to the East and Missouri to the West

Auburn UGA rivalry intact
Tenn and Bama can stay intact
Let Florida play A&M or Mizzou
Let LSU play whatever is left in East


And drop Alabama-Auburn? Good luck with that. Besides, what does moving Auburn to the East have to do with LSU playing Florida?

I do think it would be good if Alabama moved to the East and Florida moved to the West. Florida's traditional SEC rivals, before 1992, were LSU, Mississippi State, Georgia, Auburn and Kentucky. Move them to the West and let them have Georgia as a perennial cross-divisional rival (Auburn's could be Alabama). They would have all their traditional rivalries except Kentucky. We'd lose ours with Alabama, unfortunately, but we'd probably be facing each other almost every year in the SECCG for the next few years and maybe we could pick up Tennessee as a regular season perennial rival?
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
15648 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 12:25 pm to
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Uhhh, not playing Florida is a good thing
Uhhhh, no its not. Its a great rivalry and it is good for both teams. And not to mention LSU fans living in Florida
Posted by tiger1014
Member since Jan 2011
12508 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 12:26 pm to
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LSU and Florida may discontinue playing each other every year



Oh just lovely. We played a perennial juggernaut every year during their glory years while some rival schools in the SEC got an annual cupcake.

Now that they are on the verge of mediocrity/cellar dweller status in the SEC, we no longer play them annually.

Yay.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 1:53 pm to
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Finally.

It kinda sucks from the stand point that they're down now. It would be awesome to beat up on them for a few more years, but they'll be back. It's not fair that we'd be locked into each other every year when other teams in the conference get easier games. Besides, if it's so important to beat them, they can meet us in Atlanta.


x 1000
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16368 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 2:05 pm to
This would be bad for both schools. UF has traditionally been the top ranked team in the SECe. That's who I hope we keep playing.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 3:42 pm to
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This would be bad for both schools. UF has traditionally been the top ranked team in the SECe. That's who I hope we keep playing.



Why is only having to meet the best program in the East once a year, as opposed to possibly twice, a bad thing? This is actually a good thing for both LSU and Florida in the long-run. Does it suck to not have them on the schedule every year, yeah, a little. But would I prefer to increase our chances of making it to Atlanta year in and year out? Without question.

It's inequitable to have teams vying for a shot at the SEC title have built-in easier roads. If a year happens, through a rotation, where a team gets lucky, so be it. But over the long-haul the only team with a viable option and instant recruiting base to compete with UF is UGA. Even with Tenn's history, history doesn't make Tenn a talent rich state and without the right hire, they're clouded by mediocrity and an uphill battle; whereas, UGA and UF aren't.

In 20 years, would you bet that UF is the better program to Tenn or is Tenn going to hold that mantle? The past might not be the best indication of the future, but all things considered, UF has the clear advantage in that situation. Thus, Alabama's road is that much easier over the long-run than LSU's, which isn't right. Same goes for Arkansas and any other directional SEC program.
Posted by Yeauxheaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
177 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 5:04 pm to
I hate the idea of not playing UF every year. This is LSU. We shouldn't run from competition like Alleva is apparently doing.

And for those arguing that it makes it easier to get to atlanta, ole miss plays vandy every year and MSU plays UK every year. How many times have those four teams been to atlanta combined? That's right, once! Yeah, sure, those teams usually suck. That's why they were paired with each other and the big six were paired with each other. We should take pride in the fact that we're not lumped in with the sucky six.

And Mizzou to the west?

So not only do we want to dump UF, but we want to play Mizzou every year instead of Bama or Auburn. No thanks. I actually like playing in big games and I think most fans would agree since those are the games they're dying to attend. If you would rather watch UK or Vandy in Tiger Stadium instead of UF then I don't know what to say to you.

Ok. I'll get off my soapbox now.
Posted by PRK
Member since Sep 2009
9142 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 5:22 pm to
I've always loved playing Florida. Great series, both fanbases dislike each other. I'm moving to Gainesville, and am really hoping the series continues.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 10:12 pm to
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We shouldn't run from competition like Alleva is apparently doing.



UF and Jeremy Foley want this changed too. Do you think they're scared too? No, they're realistic.

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And for those arguing that it makes it easier to get to atlanta, ole miss plays vandy every year and MSU plays UK every year. How many times have those four teams been to atlanta combined?


I'm talking about the actual contenders.

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So not only do we want to dump UF, but we want to play Mizzou every year instead of Bama or Auburn.


What?

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If you would rather watch UK or Vandy in Tiger Stadium instead of UF then I don't know what to say to you.


I want to win titles. Period. I could give a shite what teams we play to get there, as long as we do. We're in the SEC, we're going to play all these teams, so crying about it like you're doing doesn't make much sense to me.
Posted by Yeauxheaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
177 posts
Posted on 3/2/12 at 11:50 pm to
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UF and Jeremy Foley want this changed too. Do you think they're scared too? No, they're realistic.


Realistic about what? Obviously Alleva and Foley think there is some percieved competitive disadvantage to playing each other every year. I use the word percieved because we're talking about the two winningest SEC teams the last decade so I don't see how either team is really at a disadvantage. If we don't play UF then we'll have another good east team on the schedule. Having both Vandy and UK the same year would be rare.

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I'm talking about the actual contenders.


Yes, and the contenders play each other every year yet they still contend. Look, the permanent opponent rule wasn't created in the spirit of fairness, it was created in the spirit of tradition which I agree with. If Bama has an easier road to Atlanta in a given year then so be it. It won't always be that way. Since we play in the same division, our schedules will be pretty even most of the time.

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What?


If Mizzou moves to the west, Bama or Auburn will most likely move to the east. So if this happens and we do away with permanents then we would lose UF and probably AU off our current schedule. There are LSU fans that actually want this.

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I want to win titles. Period. I could give a shite what teams we play to get there, as long as we do. We're in the SEC, we're going to play all these teams, so crying about it like you're doing doesn't make much sense to me.


I want to win titles too. But unlike you, I want to do it while preserving rivalries since that is one of the things that makes college football so special. If you want to call it crying then that's fine. I guess all these LSU fans and LSU administrators are "crying" that we have to play UF every year. Personally, I call it giving an opinion but you call it whatever you want.
Posted by 3XTiger
backwoods
Member since Jul 2004
1514 posts
Posted on 3/3/12 at 5:28 am to
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Good, worst road trip outside of Starkville.


My first game their was 2004. Jamarcus made his first start...Didn't last long but LSU won the the last minute.

Got a ticket for open container ( I know I'm stupid for not knowing the law). But the worst part of the trip was the gay and lesbian parade was the same weekend.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50219 posts
Posted on 3/3/12 at 7:50 am to
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Last year was a fluke, if you don't win the SEC you have virtually no shot at the BCS CG. If the current playoff being discussed become reality, you will have to win the SEC CG to play for the BCS CG.


While I see where you are coming from, I think you are wrong.

ESPN runs college football now. Conference championships mean nothing to teams like Bama, USC, Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame, etc.

Bama's win in 2011 will justify ESPN putting their tier 1 media darling in the title game from here on out without having to earn it.

Remember, Bama got in the game last year with the weakest resume in BCSNC history, and placing third in their conference. Losing a regular season game is now a luxury for Tier 1 media darlings.

We've gone down the slippery slope now in CFB.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
6792 posts
Posted on 3/3/12 at 5:50 pm to
If we continue with permanent rivals, I'm fine with UF being LSU's opponent. The real issue at play is having the permanent rivals to begin with. I'm a traditionalist, but this Bama-UT-AU-UGA thing taking precedence over the rest of the league sucks. Of the three scenarios being tossed around the most (1)8 games true rotation, no permanents, 2) 8 games, 1 permanent, or 3)9 games, 1 permanent, 2 rotating),the one that is going to end up being the solution makes the least sense.

It's just ridiculous to think that other than LSU's permanent opponent (whoever it is) you'll see all the other East teams in Tiger Stadium ONCE every 12 years. For even better perspective, there will be 6 East teams that LSU will play 8 times PERIOD in 48 years. We'll likely see North Texas more often than that.

The most feasible solution to me is the 9 game schedule (6-1-2 format), where you could preserve the rivalries and still see the opposite division schools on a more regular basis. Yes, you have the 5-4 disparity in home games but that evens out over time...hell, there was a time when there were only 6 SEC games and LSU would have 4 at home one year and only 2 the next. The world didn't end.

But we all know what's going to happen. I don't know why they said this year's schedule was a one year deal. Other than maybe shifting around a few schools' permanents, it'll be essentially the same.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 3/3/12 at 5:52 pm to
frick that.
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