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re: Let's say Miles keeps the offense the same.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 12:27 pm to TheHat7
Posted on 2/9/16 at 12:27 pm to TheHat7
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The X factor that has been missing the last few years is returning 18.. We have been hit too hard with early departures imo. when u have 1st and 2nd year guys goin against 3rd and 4th year guys you will lose more times than not.
Indeed sir. That is a huuuuuuuuge factor.
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Posted on 2/9/16 at 12:38 pm to Brazos
No. We will continue to struggle against the more physical teams unless we change our attack. You can't just run right at Bama and Ark and expect to win. We havent scored more than two TDs versus Bama in 5 years. Arkansas has held us in check the last two seasons. If Miles thinks that we can stay the same on offense, he is setting himself up for a disappointing season.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 12:46 pm to TigerAlum93
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A healthy JD Moore and Dillon Gordon make a difference.
I realize all positions on the field are important, but if our offensive success hinges on a healthy FB and TE, then something is very wrong.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 12:52 pm to boxcar willie
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also people need to remember that LSU runs a very complex 'pro style' offense that takes a QB 3-4 years to really learn. The coaches are going to hold the reigns back on the offense until that time. This will be Harris 3rd year, so we may see more on offense this season, but it probably won't be until his 4th year that he really gets it and feels comfortable running the offense. It's just the normal progression any QB would go through in running such a complex system.
I hear this argument regurgitated so often. It's just silly. Our offense is nothing close to complex. Good grief.
With the limited practice time mandated by the NCAA, college offenses are generally kept fairly simple.
But even assuming your argument to be true, then we have an idiotic coaching staff for using such a "complex" offense that is only truly learned in years 3-4.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 12:57 pm to dgnx6
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You complete the pass to the TE instead of throwing a pic and its a diff game. Doesn't mean LSU wins though.
take off the P&G glasses, we were dominated by Bama in that game. No way around that conclusion.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:13 pm to atltiger6487
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if our offensive success hinges on a healthy FB
yep that is just crazy
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:27 pm to Brazos
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Let's say Miles keeps the offense the same
He'll be fired at seasons end
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:37 pm to atltiger6487
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I hear this argument regurgitated so often. It's just silly. Our offense is nothing close to complex. Good grief.
How do you know? Have you seen the play book? Do you know all of the reads?
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But even assuming your argument to be true, then we have an idiotic coaching staff for using such a "complex" offense that is only truly learned in years 3-4.
Who said about 3-4 years? Both the offense and defense schemes are way more complex than an amateur can understand. College football ain't Madden. Learning the schemes and executing them under pressure are two different things.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:39 pm to boxcar willie
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ude there is zero chance LSU goes to one of those crazy HUNH air raid spread offenses. JUst ain't happening. Give it up. Doesn't matter how many fans call for it, just not happening.
Ya think?
"opening up the offense" for Les Miles would be throwing a few passes to RBs and TEs, and WRs running something other than strait vertical routes. Some type of offense from this century. Thats all anybody is asking for.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:41 pm to atltiger6487
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take off the P&G glasses, we were dominated by Bama in that game. No way around that conclusion.
Yep their lines dominated our lines (you get an up nod for using dominated right) and no scheme will change that. LSU got beat up physically up front and not in the coaching meetings.
For example you certainly can't fault either the Patriots or the Panthers in the creative offense department. But getting physically pounded threw all of that creativity out of the window.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:45 pm to Tiger Khan
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We field, like last year, 170 passing/230 rushing -- we lose 2 games.
We lost 2 games in 2007.
So 55 more PYPG and 10 less RYPG--on average--will do it? Honestly, I believe the offense needs to change a little--but nothing drastic. The biggest problem with the passing games has been the execution, which more times then not was self inflicted mistakes. An extra 50-yards passing per game likely gives us a minimum 3 first downs and allows us to control the clock. That inability to convert crucial passes to extend the offensive plays was more detrimental then not scoring plenty of times.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:47 pm to airbornetiger
So are you suggesting that the scheme isn't the problem. Execution is?
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:49 pm to Gray Tiger
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Yep their lines dominated our lines (you get an up nod for using dominated right) and no scheme will change that. LSU got beat up physically up front and not in the coaching meetings.
For example you certainly can't fault either the Patriots or the Panthers in the creative offense department. But getting physically pounded threw all of that creativity out of the window.
Do you give yourself a negative nod for writing "got beat up" instead of the proper, "got beaten up" ? .......... Just kidding, GT, just kidding.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:52 pm to Wind Rivers Tiger
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Do you give yourself a negative nod for writing "got beat up" instead of the proper, "got beaten up" ? .......... Just kidding, GT, just kidding.
I'll take a voluntary punishment this evening. Only a single olive per martini.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:58 pm to TigerAlum93
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A healthy JD Moore and Dillon Gordon
It's pretty sad when your offensive success is supposedly mortgaged on the health of a TE and a FB, as Les wants everyone to believe. I'm not buying it. Even with those guys, we still lose 3 games last season unless we have substantially better QB play to open up the run.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:26 pm to Brazos
The thing about Les' scheme is that it isn't well diversified. It is a very strong invesment, so when it gets going it is a top performer.
But when market conditions fluctuate and something unforseen happens(like when OL get hurt or when we realize that letting our receivers practice with #1 foam fingers on and if the QB hits him in the hands they call that a catch, is probably not the best way to practice), performance stalls out completely while other commodities sometimes accelerate.
Les needs to diversify his options so that we can still move the ball when we cant run.
But when market conditions fluctuate and something unforseen happens(like when OL get hurt or when we realize that letting our receivers practice with #1 foam fingers on and if the QB hits him in the hands they call that a catch, is probably not the best way to practice), performance stalls out completely while other commodities sometimes accelerate.
Les needs to diversify his options so that we can still move the ball when we cant run.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:30 pm to Gray Tiger
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LSU got beat up physically up front and not in the coaching meetings.
The coaches should have known we wouldn't be able to ram the ball down bamas throat...hell I knew we wouldn't be able to. So in reality the coaches had a terrible game plan. Teams that move the ball on bama don't attack their strength.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:42 pm to Brazos
Lately this fanbase has been ending November/December pissed and wanting change after another underachieving season. Then soon as late January/Signing Day comes around fans become blind again and forget our main issues that haven't been addressed. This offseason everybody is blinded by the Aranda hire and beating a terrible T-Tech team. Doesn't matter who the DC is...if we don't change the offensive scheme and learn how to properly gameplan/adjust to our opponent then we will always lose 2 or 3 games. Repeat cycle...
Posted on 2/9/16 at 3:06 pm to evangelfan
If LSU wants a legitimate chance of beating the Gumps again, Leslie has to go.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 3:07 pm to jtran1988
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He's used the same game plan every year since he took the job. Sure, there were some wrinkles here and there with Crowton (Pistol formation) as OC... but ultimately it ended being that same predictable offense. He has a bye week before the Bama game ever year... yet he has shown nothing new against a team that just as talented and bigger. The last creative thing I've seen was that toss dive reverse to the tightend. Should I even bring up how undisciplined this team is? Flags galore. He babies this team. 1st and 25, and he runs out of the I. 2nd and 20, he runs out of the spread. 3rd and long he finally decides to pass. Down by 21 points? lets scrap the I and finally go shotgun.
It's more than just "oh because our fullback, J.D. Moore was injured."
Bingo!
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