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re: Les Miles may have a fear to overcome.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 4:50 pm to Mattwells90
Posted on 1/10/13 at 4:50 pm to Mattwells90
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LSU has had some pretty high powered offenses who had an elaborate passing attack under Les. (See '05, '06, 07) So the arguement that Les doesn't know offense or is an offense killer doesn't really hold water because he has proven that the Tigers can be electric with him in charge. The point was brought up that when Perriloux was kicked off and Lee was thrust into the role of starter, and the disasterous '08 season happened, Les in a way became scared.
I have been saying this since 08.
This year though, he was confident and ready to let Mett loose.
But he gets blasted in the N Texas game, WRs can't catch the ball against Washington, Faulk gets hurt, and the OL and WRs crumble against Auburn and Florida.
Then after all that Mett has a terrible game against SCe and A&M.
The fact that we were as aggressive as we were against Bama, especially in the 2nd half when the WRs were not playing well in the 1st makes it clear as day that Miles is itching for O the same as all of us.
We stayed aggressive, and the O finally came alive and should have won the game.
O continued to play well against MSU and OM, winning those games despite subpar play from the D.
A down week against Arkansas after a very long season and a frustrating performance against a Clemson D looking to make up for last years embarrassment is all anyone wants to talk about, but people aren't giving that 3 game stretch after such a tumultuous start to the season enough credit.
Hell, even in the Clemson loss, Miles was trying to let the O run through Mett even in the 4th, which everyone blasts. But with the D not able to get off the field in the 4th with a 3 score lead, the O was in no rhythm. Unfortunately Mett sailed that 2nd down pass after a PERFECT play call to end the game. It sucked, but I loved the aggressiveness and that is what most bashers have been calling for for years.
2013 is going to be very exciting on O imo. Steady OL lineup and Dural, Johnson, Brazyl, D Smith and hopefully at least one of the JUCOs is going to light this O on fire. Feel.free to bookmark and laugh at me next year if I'm wrong
This post was edited on 1/10/13 at 5:15 pm
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Posted on 1/10/13 at 4:51 pm to Mattwells90
I don't think he loved Jefferson or Lee. I think he thought neither could throw but at least JJ could run. Again this is all for not because nobody was beating Alabama that night.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 4:58 pm to Mattwells90
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I would even argue that the JJ9 love wasn't really love at all. I think Les was less in love with Jefferson and it was more that he was terrified of Lee. The first game in Alabama probably brought up those memories of '08 and he never developed trust and confidence in Lee.
This is the answer.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:00 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Tiger Voodoo
What you just said was literally the best post I have ever seen on this site.
Actually used some logic and not just extreme one way or the other. Finally an intelligent comment.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:01 pm to ccomeaux
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The offense was fine under Lee in 2011.
Lee had Rueben Randle last year. He caught 7 of his 13 TDS, and stretched the field vertically. We lacked anyone similar to that this year.
He also had a OL that remained intact the whole year.
That being said Mett averaged more Passing yards a game than Lee did last year. And that is what people are talking about when they bring up our Total offense ranking, yards.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:06 pm to SammyTiger
An actually intelligent debate on the rant where nobody has claimed the answer is simply that Les is mentally handicapped? This must be a first.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:10 pm to Mattwells90
Thank you
Why the hell couldn't you have joined earlier? Or did all this constant bitching make you want to say something?
Why the hell couldn't you have joined earlier? Or did all this constant bitching make you want to say something?
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:11 pm to Mattwells90
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An actually intelligent debate on the rant where nobody has claimed the answer is simply that Les is mentally handicapped? This must be a first.
Thread of the year?
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:13 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Tiger Voodoo
I love you
This is my favorite thread on the rant ever
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:18 pm to RonFNSwanson
Some wonderful points! Remember also that he inherited Jimbo Fisher as an OC in '05 and '06. Many were glad when he left and Crowton took over. Many were glad when he left and Stud took over. My point is that Fisher was an excellent coordinator and some stability remained from the Saban years.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:25 pm to Mattwells90
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LSU has had some pretty high powered offenses who had an elaborate passing attack under Les. (See '05, '06, 07
This might have been under Les but not by Les. 05,06 was Jimbo Fisher's Offense and even crowton still used most of Jimbo's offense in 07.
What changed was in 08 the lee pick 6's caused Les to lose the lesticles and we've had a shi--y offenses ever since.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:26 pm to duboisd
I guess rather than listening and going along with the Les is a retard ideology, I looked a little deeper. Coaches are people with human emotions, even fear and apprehension.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:36 pm to Mattwells90
well if it happened on the waterboy then it must happen irl
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:36 pm to ccomeaux
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The offense was fine under Lee in 2011.
If the facts conflict with the psychoanalyis you must disregard the facts.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:44 pm to CarrolltonTiger
This belief that Les is scared to open it up is false. We tried and failed when the WR kept killing drives when we all discovered they forgot how to catch the ball.
Then the line couldn't block... no time to throw. It isn't him scared unless it was scared that Mett would die.
More like trying to win instead of being scared. Then we have a full back and some of the rb's that can't pick up the blitz and a qb who couldn't see it coming.
It isn't that Miles is scared it is that the team couldn't do it.
Then the line couldn't block... no time to throw. It isn't him scared unless it was scared that Mett would die.
More like trying to win instead of being scared. Then we have a full back and some of the rb's that can't pick up the blitz and a qb who couldn't see it coming.
It isn't that Miles is scared it is that the team couldn't do it.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:45 pm to Mattwells90
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LSU has had some pretty high powered offenses who had an elaborate passing attack under Les. (See '05, '06, 07) So the arguement that Les doesn't know offense or is an offense killer doesn't really hold water because he has proven that the Tigers can be electric with him in charge.
Flynn '07 200.6ypg, 6.7ypa, LSU rushing 214ypg
Mett '12 200.7ypg, 7.4ypa, LSU rushing 173ypgThe stats for both teams are pretty close except rushing ypg and I would guess RZ eff ('07 much > '12) and 3rd conv% (46.64 vs 40.21)
I think the scheme is quite similar, but execution lacking.
Another year together, hopefully with Faulk, and the Offense should be quite good.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:46 pm to CarrolltonTiger
I'm so glad we had a high scoring offense in 2007. Helps shed some light on the 2013 season.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:48 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 1/10/13 at 6:01 pm to Mattwells90
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I was listening to a talk show about LSU on the radio and the point about LSU offense was brought up. LSU has had some pretty high powered offenses who had an elaborate passing attack under Les. (See '05, '06, 07) So the arguement that Les doesn't know offense or is an offense killer doesn't really hold water because he has proven that the Tigers can be electric with him in charge. The point was brought up that when Perriloux was kicked off and Lee was thrust into the role of starter, and the disasterous '08 season happened, Les in a way became scared. Excuse the ridiculous comparison but similar to the waterboy when the coach sort of went into a shell, it seems as all those pick sixes has left the river boat gambler a little gun shy. It makes sense considering that LSU could really throw the ball before the Lee disaster yet now Les is afraid to open it up for fear of the offense screwing things up. This is probably why he enjoys having Stud run the offense because Stud isn't going to contend with Les to open things up. Les says run the ball, Stud says yes. Unfortunately he will have to get over that at some point because this conservative run down your throat offense doesn't always work.
I agree with this. I think Miles lost his mojo and hasn't been quite sure of himself in some time. I hope he finds it soon and I think that him handing off the keys on the offensive side of the ball to a competent coordinator who might help the team and Miles find their offensive identity would be the best thing for us going forward.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 6:14 pm to Mattwells90
Great point
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