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Last 9 minutes of SC game
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:37 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:37 am
Game was tied at 60-60 with 9:10 left after Victor hit two free throws.
South Carolina then went 7 straight possessions scoring, amassing 17 points. They then finally missed a shot, and got the offensive rebound, but then missed again.
They then went the next 8 possessions scoring on 6 of the 8 possessions getting 11 more points.
That left 24 seconds left and an 8 point lead.
They had 16 possessions and scored on all but 3 of them.
Our offense wasn't terrible down that stretch, only 2 turnovers, 6-8 from the line. We just couldn't get a stop and we missed a few open shots.
Our free throw shooting was abysmal for the game, but our defense down the stretch is why we lost.
I can promise you they do not put any emphasis on how to play a 2-3 defense in practice, b/c they are terrible at it. They looked like a 12 year old biddy team playing a 2-3. A good 2-3 should almost look like man to man defense. Instead, we had no communication and there was constantly a decision to be made by the wing defender on how to defend the guy with the ball at the wing while a guy was wide open in the corner. Proper communication would have gotten the top defender to move and guard that wing so the wing defender could match up with the corner guy.
On top of all of that, the refs were horrible both ways. They called so many ticky tacky fouls. There's no reason 4 people should foul out of a regulation game, while 4 more are sitting on 4 fouls.
I still think they played a pretty good game, they just shot themselves in the foot too much. Free throws in the first half, defense in the second.
They've got 7 games left, 3 of them should be easy wins, @Tenn, Bama and Mizzou. A&M and UF at home, can't lose them both. @Ar-kansas, @Kent, can't lose them both.
They are all winnable, but losing 3 of them will probably leave them with some work to do in the SECT to get in the Big Dance. They should be able to make it out of there with a 13-5 record, and likely a regular season shared title at least. I wouldn't be surprised if they could finish 14-4, but i also wouldn't be surprised if they finished 11-7.
South Carolina then went 7 straight possessions scoring, amassing 17 points. They then finally missed a shot, and got the offensive rebound, but then missed again.
They then went the next 8 possessions scoring on 6 of the 8 possessions getting 11 more points.
That left 24 seconds left and an 8 point lead.
They had 16 possessions and scored on all but 3 of them.
Our offense wasn't terrible down that stretch, only 2 turnovers, 6-8 from the line. We just couldn't get a stop and we missed a few open shots.
Our free throw shooting was abysmal for the game, but our defense down the stretch is why we lost.
I can promise you they do not put any emphasis on how to play a 2-3 defense in practice, b/c they are terrible at it. They looked like a 12 year old biddy team playing a 2-3. A good 2-3 should almost look like man to man defense. Instead, we had no communication and there was constantly a decision to be made by the wing defender on how to defend the guy with the ball at the wing while a guy was wide open in the corner. Proper communication would have gotten the top defender to move and guard that wing so the wing defender could match up with the corner guy.
On top of all of that, the refs were horrible both ways. They called so many ticky tacky fouls. There's no reason 4 people should foul out of a regulation game, while 4 more are sitting on 4 fouls.
I still think they played a pretty good game, they just shot themselves in the foot too much. Free throws in the first half, defense in the second.
They've got 7 games left, 3 of them should be easy wins, @Tenn, Bama and Mizzou. A&M and UF at home, can't lose them both. @Ar-kansas, @Kent, can't lose them both.
They are all winnable, but losing 3 of them will probably leave them with some work to do in the SECT to get in the Big Dance. They should be able to make it out of there with a 13-5 record, and likely a regular season shared title at least. I wouldn't be surprised if they could finish 14-4, but i also wouldn't be surprised if they finished 11-7.
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:40 am to TeddyPadillac
Didn't read your whole post but I agree they couldn't close SC down on the defensive end. We kept getting back and then boom gave up a bucket. Some credit goes to SC but just a few more stops and we could have bad a chance at the end.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:46 am to TeddyPadillac
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Game was tied at 60-60
didn't Simmons miss the front end of a 1 & 1 on the next possession?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:48 am to Topwater Trout
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didn't Simmons miss the front end of a 1 & 1 on the next possession?
no.
that was two possessions before when it was 58-58.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:49 am to TeddyPadillac
55 fouls in 40 minutes
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:51 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Our free throw shooting was abysmal for the game, but our defense down the stretch is why we lost.
I can promise you they do not put any emphasis on how to play a 2-3 defense in practice, b/c they are terrible at it. They looked like a 12 year old biddy team playing a 2-3. A good 2-3 should almost look like man to man defense. Instead, we had no communication and there was constantly a decision to be made by the wing defender on how to defend the guy with the ball at the wing while a guy was wide open in the corner. Proper communication would have gotten the top defender to move and guard that wing so the wing defender could match up with the corner guy.
I won't disagree with some of this...I think LSU struggles in a zone identifying the other teams shooters...Duane Notice was the hot shooter and we continually allowed USC to force us to over rotate in the zone or collapse the zone and kick it out or swing to him for wide open threes. It was too easy at times.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 8:52 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:51 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:None of these games are going to be easy wins. But we really aren't in a different situation than before the South Carolina game.
They've got 7 games left, 3 of them should be easy wins, @Tenn, Bama and Mizzou. A&M and UF at home, can't lose them both. @Ar-kansas, @Kent, can't lose them both.
They are all winnable, but losing 3 of them will probably leave them with some work to do in the SECT to get in the Big Dance. They should be able to make it out of there with a 13-5 record, and likely a regular season shared title at least. I wouldn't be surprised if they could finish 14-4, but i also wouldn't be surprised if they finished 11-7.
quote:Yes there is... the players committed fouls.
There's no reason 4 people should foul out of a regulation game, while 4 more are sitting on 4 fouls.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:51 am to TeddyPadillac
The amount of and 1's they got in the time frame was ridiculous, i think they hit every single one too.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:58 am to mmcgrath
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Yes there is... the players committed fouls.
If that's the case, then every game should have over 50 fouls called in it.
If your hand is straight up and you're not using your other hand to push off when the guy you're defending goes up for a layup, dont' blow the fricken whistle. So many and 1's tonight, b/c they weren't actual fouls. I know basketball is a hard sport to ref, but so many replays had guys with hands up and no body on the offensive player. There is nothing more aggravating then when you pretty much concede a layup by continuing to back up and just leave 1 hand straight up and you get a foul called on you.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:59 am to mmcgrath
Umm no, most were not fouls. Some, yes. But Blakeney and Victor got some atrocious fouls. Carrera got an and1 on Hornsby at a crucial time and Hornsby did not TOUCH him. The ref blew the whistle because he thought contact would be made.
But it wasn't the refs fault, they were terrible all around. LSU missed 5 front ends of 1 and 1's. South Carolina is near the bottom of the league in FT shooting and they were red hot. Not to mention I believed they had 6 and1's which is an outstanding stat.
To the OP. All road games are difficult. I'm looking for LSU to go 5-2, win all home games and 2 of 3 on the road.
But it wasn't the refs fault, they were terrible all around. LSU missed 5 front ends of 1 and 1's. South Carolina is near the bottom of the league in FT shooting and they were red hot. Not to mention I believed they had 6 and1's which is an outstanding stat.
To the OP. All road games are difficult. I'm looking for LSU to go 5-2, win all home games and 2 of 3 on the road.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 9:00 am to mmcgrath
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Yes there is... the players committed fouls.
That crew leads the conference in fouls called per game.
There were awful fouls being called
Posted on 2/11/16 at 9:02 am to LSUButt
The college game has become nearly unwatchable due to the amount of touch fouls, and subsequent free throws. We play that game with NBA refs and its at least more fluid.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 9:03 am to TeddyPadillac
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We just couldn't get a stop and we missed a few open shots.
Our free throw shooting was abysmal for the game, but our defense down the stretch is why we lost.
I can promise you they do not put any emphasis on how to play a 2-3 defense in practice, b/c they are terrible at it. They looked like a 12 year old biddy team playing a 2-3. A good 2-3 should almost look like man to man defense. Instead, we had no communication and there was constantly a decision to be made by the wing defender on how to defend the guy with the ball at the wing while a guy was wide open in the corner. Proper communication would have gotten the top defender to move and guard that wing so the wing defender could match up with the corner guy
It has been a consistent problem under Jones except for last year when he had Musselman. People discounted Musselman's contribution, but I promise you that he was as big a reason for LSU being a good defensive team as anyone last year. He was constantly coaching and communicating with players on the defensive end. Mickey erasing everything at the rim certainly played a big part. However, he did that the year before and LSU struggled on defense.
South Carolina is a good team. They aren't a great offensive team though. You'd never know it after watching last night where they matched their SEASON HIGH in points (94)
Like you said, the 2-3 zone last night was absolutely awful. You wonder why LSU struggles against the zone on offense? I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that they face an awful zone in practice.
In man LSU tries to unnecessarily overplay everything instead of just keeping their man in front of them and contesting shots. Jones' whole philosophy is "creating turnovers". As long as they get one steal and run-out he seems to be ok with the 4 easy buckets that surround it. The fact that he could just sit idly by and watch Quarterman try for 40 feet to pick up a foul until he finally got one called is mind-boggling. LSU is out of position constantly, yet no one seems to think it is that big of a deal.
There's a reason last year's team was able to consistently beat good opponents (especially on the road) and this team can't....DEFENSE. Until Jones puts any kind of emphasis on the defensive end, LSU is going to struggle to knock out good teams.
Individual skill-wise this team is probably as good as anyone, if not the best in the SEC, on offense. From the top down though they simply just don't care about playing defense. That's the difference between them being a good team and being a great team. This isn't meant to be negative. It's just frustrating to watch just how good this group could really be, yet no one seems to care enough about the small details to make that happen.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 9:05 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 9:05 am to TeddyPadillac
Quarterman started to ballhog,launching up bricks and throwing errant passes out of bounds.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 9:16 am to Alt26
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Like you said, the 2-3 zone last night was absolutely awful. You wonder why LSU struggles against the zone on offense? I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that they face an awful zone in practice.
I agree.
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In man LSU tries to unnecessarily overplay everything instead of just keeping their man in front of them and contesting shots
They did this in the zone as well. it's just piss poor defensive philosophy all around.
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Individual skill-wise this team is probably as good as anyone, if not the best in the SEC, on offense. From the top down though they simply just don't care about playing defense. That's the difference between them being a good team and being a great team. This isn't meant to be negative. It's just frustrating to watch just how good this group could really be, yet no one seems to care enough about the small details to make that happen.
hit the nail on the head here. This is what frustrates me as well. This team has the potential of a final four team, yet they don't do the little things that would make them a final four team. Before this season started, i'm pretty sure we all said that making the tourney wasn't the goal this season. We wanted to make a run in the tourney. Losing the first game in the tourney would be a bit of a failure of a season. We are playing like a team that either won't make the tourney, or will lose that first game, yet most seem just fine saying "good loss tonight" or "losing that game didn't really hurt us", or "great win against the 2nd worst team in the SEC, these guys are turning it around!"
My expectations for this team are a bit higher than the average fans i guess.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:02 am to LSUButt
quote:Bit of an exaggeration, eh?
Umm no, most were not fouls.
quote:
But Blakeney and Victor got some atrocious fouls.
quote:Hornsby was turned around and backing into him with his whole body. That is a foul EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Carrera got an and1 on Hornsby at a crucial time and Hornsby did not TOUCH him.
LSU had bad fouls. They fouled jump shooters, got offensive fouls, and even committed a couple of fouls on free throws.
Some of you decide whether it is a legit foul by seeing if the player throws up a stink face after the whistle.
The biggest difference in the game was a few critical turnovers.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:05 am to mmcgrath
You're absolutely insane if you think that crew called a good game yesterday and weren't whistle happy. Every game they call have a lot of fouls
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:09 am to TigerBait1127
It was very very poorly called but honestly not really too surprising. SEC refs get caught up in crowd hype way too easily.
I know this crew only had 1 member that was in the Georgia game but both of those games were so unwatchable. No surprise either we won the home game and lost the road one.
I know this crew only had 1 member that was in the Georgia game but both of those games were so unwatchable. No surprise either we won the home game and lost the road one.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:11 am to bbap
Yea it's hard enough to win on the road as is
Posted on 2/11/16 at 11:11 am to mmcgrath
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Carrera got an and1 on Hornsby at a crucial time and Hornsby did not TOUCH him.
Hornsby was turned around and backing into him with his whole body. That is a foul EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Did you watch that play? He literally didn't touch him.
Quarterman and Hornsby each had another and 1 called on them on drives to the goal where they were backing up the whole time with 1 hand straight up. That's how you play defense when you don't want to get a foul called, and if that's the kind of fouls they are going to call, then you either need to just completely move out of the way and not play defense, or foul the shite out of them.
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