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re: Jumbo Won't Be An Upgrade From Miles

Posted on 11/26/15 at 10:52 pm to
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 10:52 pm to
quote:

Jumbo Won't Be An Upgrade From Miles
This article pretty much nails it. Unless Jimbo has a first round QB (very rare), he is very average.


With all due respect, I disagree.

The author of that piece either did not know the history of FSU before Jimbo took over, or does not like Jimbo.

Here are Bowden's last six years at FSU:



Here are Jimbo's last six years at FSU:




Bowden did not leave Jimbo with much when he left, but I think it's pretty obvious how FSU got better rather quickly with Jimbo at the helm.

Okay, so he lost three of the five games to unranked teams in the first two-years that he was HC, but they were also in every single one of those games.

The last five losses under Les (regular season):

14-31 Arkansas (2015)
0-17 Arkansas (2014)
29-34 MSU (2014) Score is closer than the game was
24-27 Ole Miss (2013)
23-25 Ole Miss (2009)

So, Les has 5 losses in 7 years, but four have been in the last three years, but Jimbo has 5 losses in 6 years but four were in his first three years. Oh and he had two undefeated regular seasons and a national championship sandwiched in between the first four and the last one this year.

Do I think Jimbo is head and shoulders above what Les has done over the course of his career, no.

Do I think Jimbo is an upgrade from what Les has done the last couple of years, and what I think would come if he stays, yes.

And I think that is how most people feel.
Posted by gatortrav88
Member since Oct 2014
3807 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 10:53 pm to
If you can learn his offense you impress scouts for what ever reason lol (from What I hear from noles it's overly complicated)i mean we're talking about Russell, Ponder, Manuel here

They all were horrible and of course Jamies who might actually turn out to be good
This post was edited on 11/26/15 at 10:55 pm
Posted by tigerbait3488
River Ridge
Member since Dec 2007
10433 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 10:53 pm to
Solid post Rummy
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8148 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 10:54 pm to
Stupid article. Probably written by a Les lover.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
11352 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 10:59 pm to
Miles' teams would easily have fared as well in the ACC during that same time period. I think the point of the article is to show that Jimbo also shits the bed, sometimes worse than Les. If a change is going to be made, I prefer Chip Kelly over Jimbo.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65413 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:05 pm to
quote:

Miles' teams would easily have fared as well in the ACC during that same time period.



Unless LSU is moving to the ACC this statement means exactly nothing.
This post was edited on 11/26/15 at 11:06 pm
Posted by GratefulTiger
Member since Dec 2003
1557 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:10 pm to
LSU has had the sloppiest offense regardless of who we play(EMU/Townson). Having gone through multiple coordinators it's been obvious Miles has handicapped the offense. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

All this rushing to get the play off before a delay of game and our players figuring out the play a second before the snap is amatuer and embarassing. I'd imagine LSU offense is one of the easiest to prepare for scheme-wise, despite the talent we've had. It's not hard to tell what play is being called based on the formation.

Our defense has NFL talent every year but can't perform when they're left on the field after all the 3 and outs.

Miles seems like a great guy and players love him, but I have no sympathy if he's let go. He's played us for raises and got caught with his pants down the first time Michigan gave him a call. Had there not been a leak he was 100% gone.

We can get better results for half the price.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
11352 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:11 pm to
It means that Jimbo's team's records are not so impressive given the conference.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89803 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:11 pm to
quote:

Miles' teams would easily have fared as well in the ACC during that same time period.


Jimbo's time period? Maybe, maybe not... That argument will never fly, as the games were never played. But, to play real quick, LSU is 2-1 vs the ACC since Jimbo took over. Wins against UNC and Syracuse, and a loss to Clemson.

Jimbo, on the other hand, is 6-1 vs the SEC over the same time period with the one-loss coming against Florida, and wins coming against Florida, USC, and Auburn (NCG)

quote:

I think the point of the article is to show that Jimbo also shits the bed, sometimes worse than Les.


Well, my post will tell you that is not the case.

quote:

If a change is going to be made, I prefer Chip Kelly over Jimbo.


It would be a nightmare to have Kelly here, as his personality does not fit AT ALL, and he has ZERO experience in the South.
This post was edited on 11/26/15 at 11:13 pm
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
11352 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:15 pm to
Rummy, how much experience in the South did the 2 coaches who brought us National Championships in 2003 and 2007 have? Same question for Urban at Florida.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66258 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:15 pm to
quote:

This article pretty much nails it. Unless Jimbo has a first round QB (very rare), he is very average.


Les has lost as many games this year as Jimbo has in the last 3 years.

Also the guy seems to think it is relevant that LSu was the underdog playing Arkansas.

We were the underdog because NO one thought we could rebound after losing to Bama. THATS 100% Les's job. Thats what he is supposed to do best besides get kids to come here. Motivate. Instead we became Arkansas's 1st SEC victory since Kentucky in 2012.

Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65784 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:17 pm to
the acc seems to be better against the sec h2h of late no?

isn't the SEC kind of down right now aside from 1 team?
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278034 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:17 pm to
quote:

isn't the SEC kind of down right now aside from 1 team?




terrible QB play in the conference. go figure
Posted by maine82
Member since Aug 2011
3320 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:18 pm to
Jimbo has first round QBs because he develops first round QBs. They don't develop themselves.

Also, in his first five seasons, he had 4 that were ten win seasons, and he's close to another one. At the end of this season, Les will have four sub-10 win seasons out of 11. Good % but not as good as Jimbo's.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31401 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:19 pm to
is this amway?
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
11352 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:22 pm to
Les coaches in a much more competitive conference, so there's that. Or are we now going to pump up the ACC now to bolster Jimbo when we've been shitting on the ACC forever?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46614 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:22 pm to
Yes he is.
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
53985 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:22 pm to
quote:

Jimbo Fisher is not going to change the trend in Baton Rouge. The best move for LSU? Hire a progressive offensive coordinator and shift to the spread offense, which is the way the college games is headed.


Les would never do this, which is why he is gone.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89803 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:27 pm to
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Rummy, how much experience in the South did the 2 coaches who brought us National Championships in 2003 and 2007 have? Same question for Urban at Florida.


lol... I have to laugh, because now you're grasping at straws.

Well, all three guys are from Ohio, correct? Which, correct me if I'm wrong, is just across a river from Kentucky.

Kentucky, where, coincidentally enough, Bowling Green is located, which is where Urban got his start.

Pulling out the map again, we find that Oklahoma, which is where Oklahoma State is located, just so happens to share a border with Arkansas, Missouri, and Texas, which I think are pretty Southern states...but I could be wrong.

Nick might be the toughest on here in regards to finding a link other than the Ohio/KY border argument I used earlier, but it was one of the things that Saban had the most difficulty with initially - acclimating to the South. That said, he's done a pretty good job over the years.

Chip, on the other hand, has stops at Columbia, Johns Hopkins, New Hampshire, and Oregon.

Do I need to say more?
Posted by maine82
Member since Aug 2011
3320 posts
Posted on 11/26/15 at 11:27 pm to
Jimbo doesn't coach at the only P5 school in the state that produces more NFL players per capita than any other state. Les does. Jimbo has played the hand he's been dealt better than Les has with his.
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