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re: Jennings only threw one interception over the last 7 games last year

Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:27 am to
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:27 am to
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Why do you think Jennings started all year? Miles has a phobia over interceptions. I think he sees Harris as more of a gunslinger, more reckless and prone to throw interceptions!

All great passers throw interceptions. It comes with the territory. As long as they throw high completion % and a good number of touchdowns and win, the interceptions fade into the background.

Miles is not factoring this into the equation. The result is a hesitant, overly conservative, low completions %, ineffective QB with fewer interceptions and a number of LSU losses that shouldn't have happened.

It is why Jarrett Lee was benched in favor of Jefferson when he was 7-0 but had a number of pick 6's a couple of years ago.

I honestly think Jennings would be a much better QB if he wasn't trying to avoid interceptions working to please Miles (and maybe Cam as well). He is playing "not to lose" because of coaches who are also playing "not to lose". How many times has LSU lost in big games over the last couple of years because of prevent defense after taking a lead late in the game? Alabama twice, Georgia, Ole Miss and maybe a couple of others. (Given that this strategy may have been called by Chavis rather than Miles)

Don't get me wrong! I love Les Miles. He has great character! He fosters great family atmosphere! He is smart, and funny! He recruits well! The players love him! I just wish he would give the QB's a little slack and let their natural abilities surface.

I love Anthony Jennings as well! He also has great character! He is a great team player! He plays his heart out in every game! He has excellent talent! Remember that he finished 3rd in the Elite 11 QB competition nationally in his Sr. year in HS. If the coaches loosen the leash, no telling what he might accomplish!

All that being said, I am extremely positive for 2015. I believe the coaches do indeed have more confidence this year and the QB's will see this and likewise exude confidence that will propel the Tigers to tremendous heights this year. I can't wait!


Spot on!

LSU has had a largely ineffective passing attack 5 of the last 6 seasons. During that time span they've had 3 different OCs, 5 different QBs start at least one game, and ONE common denominator, Les.

If you have just one bad year it could be blamed on the QB, or injuries, or etc. A couple bad years, maybe the OC isn't the right fit. If you have 5 of 6 bad years logic dictates that it can't ALL be just bad QBs and/OCs. Especially in light of the fact that you've had multiple new people in those positions.

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Why do you think Jennings started all year? Miles has a phobia over interceptions. I think he sees Harris as more of a gunslinger, more reckless and prone to throw interceptions!


No truer words have been spoken. I don't know if Harris is the better QB. But I do know that neither QB will succeed if they are so handcuffed that they aren't allowed to makes plays, even if that does bring with it an increased chance of turnovers. No team that has won the NC over the last several years has been "afraid" of their QB. Hell, McCarron's passing was maybe the biggest reason Bama beat LSU in the 2011 re-match and he wasn't very good that year.

It's sad, but right now LSU uses it's passing game almost like Ga. Tech in that they throw in an effort to (A) surprise a defense and hit a big play, (B) when it's 3rd and longer than 6 yards or, (C) when they're down in the 4th and they have no choice but to throw.

With LSU's RBs and Oline, no one is saying that they have to become some wide-open passing offense like A&M or Texas Tech. But you have very good players in the passing game. Find a way to utilize them as a strength (even if it means getting out of your comfort zone a bit) instead of just a necessity that you have to resort to in unfortunate situations.
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 10:29 am
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:34 am to
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But I do know that neither QB will succeed if they are so handcuffed that they aren't allowed to makes plays, even if that does bring with it an increased chance of turnovers




Believe me if they had proven they could make plays they would be given more opportunities.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32453 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:39 am to
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Read this in the Advocate paper this morning and was somewhat surprised. I know that he is slow to make decisions sometimes and doesn't throw the ball that much per game but only one interception against good competition is impressive.
And held the ball too long and took 20+ sacks.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32453 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:43 am to
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this is Miles' problem. he think turnovers are the absolute death of a win.. but stalling all the time on offense is a turnover in itself. we need confidence to overcome turnovers.. and get into the endzone. this is also why i don't like Miles' stating we will throw for 250 yards a game this season.. i don't care how many yards we throw for.. we need to throw for TD's..
Miles would rather have a shitty looking game with 150 total yards offense and barely win by one point with no turnovers, or even lose the game, rather than win the game with lots of turnovers and points. It's his philosophy and there's lots of people on here who refuse to accept this.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:55 am to
The opposition can't intercept when Jennings doesn't throw. Duh

Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:58 am to
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LSU has had a largely ineffective passing attack 5 of the last 6 seasons. During that time span they've had 3 different OCs, 5 different QBs start at least one game, and ONE common denominator, Les.


You're so far off base in this assumption, it's quite sad.

If Les is the root of the problem, why did we have successful offenses in '05, '06, and '07...? Because Les had Jimbo Fisher, JaMarcus Russell and Matt Flynn? So basically, when Les had a high quality offensive coordinator calling plays for a redshirt sophomore ('05), and redshirt junior ('06) we had some of the best offenses in CFB? And when Les had a redshirt senior ('07) and an offensive coordinator calling plays from Jimbo's playbook, we set LSU records for total offense....

Then when Jimbo left for FSU Les brought in Gary Crowton... the quarterbacks he signed included Jarrett Lee, Jordan Jefferson, Russell Shepard, Chris Garrett. With that offensive coordinator and those quarterbacks, LSU never ranked higher than 31st in scoring efficiency or 67th in yardage efficiency.

Cam Cameron was hired in 2013 to work with Zach Mettenberger... and he instantly transformed an offense that ranked 48th in scoring efficiency and 74th in yardage efficiency the year prior to 7th and 12th, respectively. In his short time here, Cameron has also secured the commitments of Brandon Harris, the #75 overall player in 2014, Feleipe Franks, the #47 overall player in 2016, and Zadock Dinkelmann, one of the top QB prospects in 2018.

Last year, Cameron scrambled to replace a 3000 yard senior quarterback with a true sophomore with 29 career pass attempts... to replace a 1400 yard running back with a true freshman... and to replace two 1100 yard receivers with two true freshmen.... it was going to be a bad year before the season opener.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:59 am to
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It's his philosophy and there's lots of people on here who refuse to accept this.


"his philosophy" has resulted in a decade record of 103-29 which places LSU at #2 among Power 5 conference teams and #2 in the SEC during a time period in which the SEC has never been stronger... lots of people on here seem to "refuse to accept this" as well.


Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:29 am to
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It's his philosophy and there's lots of people on here who refuse to accept this.


No, it's Bo Schembechler's extremely successful philosophy, that Miles adopted as his own... and has likewise been extremely successful employing.

1969 (8-3) - 141 Passing, 267 Rushing
1970 (9-1) - 122 Passing, 251 Rushing
1971 (11-1) - 59 Passing, 332 Rushing
1972 (10-1) - 79 Passing, 258 Rushing
1973 (10-0-1) - 64 Passing, 292 Rushing
1974 (10-1) - 94 Passing, 306 Rushing
1975 (8-2-2) - 69 Passing, 320 Rushing

1976 (10-2) - 85 Passing, 345 Rushing
1977 (10-2) - 95 Passing, 237 Rushing
1978 (10-2) - 116 Passing, 270 Rushing
1979 (8-4) - 170 Passing, 240 Rushing
1980 (10-2) - 140 Passing, 253 Rushing
1981 (9-3) - 146 Passing, 275 Rushing

1982 (8-4) - 162 Passing 233 Rushing
1983 (9-3) - 130 Passing, 263 Rushing
1984 (6-6) - 135 Passing, 174 Rushing
1985 (10-1-1) - 176 Passing, 211 Rushing
1986 (11-2) - 215 Passing, 200 Rushing
1987 (8-4) - 117 Passing, 263 Rushing
1988 (9-2-1) - 152 Passing, 253 Rushing
1989 (10-2) - 161 Passing, 208 Rushing
Posted by UNO
Member since Mar 2015
4961 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:33 am to
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Whoever is playing QB, LSU needs closer to 35 passing attempts than 17.

lol no
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202612 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:36 am to
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, it's Bo Schembechler's extremely successful philosophy, that Miles adopted as his own...



Are you even trying to compare Miles to BO?????

What a dipshit..........





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and has likewise been extremely successful employing.




That's a HUGE stretch...........And A lie..........
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202612 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:38 am to
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I don't know if Harris is the better QB. But I do know that neither QB will succeed if they are so handcuffed that they aren't allowed to makes plays


This is SO true....... Miles needs to keep his hands out of the offense.... He drags his qb's down by being so conservative...........
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:40 am to
In ten years, he's compiled 100 wins, three division championships, two conference championships, won a national championship, and played for another.. It's an unprecedented run in LSU's history.

What is your definition of extremely successful?
Posted by Tigersport2014
Member since Aug 2014
824 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:44 am to
..passes thrown short into the turf , out-of-bounds over the head of WRs , etc etc cannot be intercepted ...
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202612 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:50 am to
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In ten years, he's compiled 100 wins, three division championships, two conference championships, won a national championship, and played for another.. It's an unprecedented run in LSU's history




But was also 8-5 last year with a young raw QB starting this year... A new DC and a team that lost 4 of their last 5 games last year..... I don't care what he did before last year.. That means NOTHING...........
Posted by winnoworelse
Good Ole Louisiana Bayou
Member since Jun 2004
2769 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:00 pm to
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"his philosophy" has resulted in a decade record of 103-29 which places LSU at #2 among Power 5 conference teams and #2 in the SEC during a time period in which the SEC has never been stronger... lots of people on here seem to "refuse to accept this" as well.



I ask you, just what has any of those games or records produced? Had he not luckily gotten into one championship he would not even have had one single national championship. Just what is our goal here if you claim we are so elite? Is it just winning some games and maybe just maybe getting to an SEC championship game? or is it winning national championships? The only people "refusing to accept" things are people like you. Refusing to accept that Les Miles is not a good coach.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:07 pm to
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I don't care what he did before last year..


So out of a 10 year career, the only thing that matters in your assessment of the upcoming year is an 8-5 record in which we started a true sophomore at quarterback, a true freshman at running back, and two true freshmen and a redshirt sophomore at wide receiver?

Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:12 pm to
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Is it just winning some games and maybe just maybe getting to an SEC championship game? or is it winning national championships?


The only thing you can control is winning the conference. That should be the primary goal every year. In ten years, LSU has won the division three times, Alabama has won it four times, Auburn has won it twice, and Arkansas has won it once. In addition, the Western division team has won 7 of the last 10 championship games.

Do you believe that LSU, historically or recently, is undisputedly a better program than Alabama, Florida, Georgia and Auburn? It's not as if we play in the goddamn Big Ten.
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted by dukke v
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Member since Jul 2006
202612 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:14 pm to
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the only thing that matters in your assessment of the upcoming year is an 8-5 record in which we started a true sophomore at quarterback, a true freshman at running back, and two true freshmen and a redshirt sophomore at wide receiver?



There are quite a few coaches that could have done better than 8 -5 with the LSU team last year....
Posted by winnoworelse
Good Ole Louisiana Bayou
Member since Jun 2004
2769 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:16 pm to
What are you talking about? None of that nonsense means one bit of anything. lol. And HE had a chance of winning a second. And got embarrassed!
Posted by winnoworelse
Good Ole Louisiana Bayou
Member since Jun 2004
2769 posts
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:20 pm to
and another thing. the sec isn't the only conference out there. sure theyre good, but other conferences have gotten just as good.
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