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re: It is NOT time to can Les - a five year look
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:00 pm to CharlesLSU
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:00 pm to CharlesLSU
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where it is understood he gets out of the way for a year
Will never happen. IMO, Les won't be fired this year no matter what. If the season ends badly, then he will be asked to resign next season no matter what happens.
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:00 pm to TDsngumbo
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we will continue to slide into the 1990s.
it has been 2014 and 2015......I was there in the 90's. It aint no where fricking close.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:00 pm to Lou Pai
Yea, when are we going to look back and say "Man, Miles really put together the best staff possible."
Every year we find a new assistant to blame. God forbid we take a look at the guy who hires them.
Every year we find a new assistant to blame. God forbid we take a look at the guy who hires them.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:02 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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Will never happen. IMO, Les won't be fired this year no matter what. If the season ends badly, then he will be asked to resign next season no matter what happens.
This is what im thinking
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:03 pm to CharlesLSU
I disagree. Coaches run into issues every year. What separates the great ones from the pack are the types that anticipate problems, or in cases that are out of their control, adapt accordingly.
Miles is known as a CEO coach. That's his identity. Because he sure is hell isn't a game day coach, offensive playcaller, defensive playcaller, or even an elite OL coach. If we are going to run with this type of characterization as his saving grace since he has nothing else that's tangible, he sure as hell isn't a good CEO and needs to be fired.
Miles is known as a CEO coach. That's his identity. Because he sure is hell isn't a game day coach, offensive playcaller, defensive playcaller, or even an elite OL coach. If we are going to run with this type of characterization as his saving grace since he has nothing else that's tangible, he sure as hell isn't a good CEO and needs to be fired.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:03 pm to CharlesLSU
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the buzz has never been this loud, so the road is different
I disagree. The buzz was just as loud if not louder before the Cam hiring.
The popular belief then was now that Les has an OC he truly trusted he'd quit meddling. That doesn't appear to have happened.
I again also ask, what OC are you going to get that's capable of turning the offense around under what essentially boys to a one year try out?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:05 pm to dgnx6
Maybe you're right. I'm just deflated at this point.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:06 pm to Lou Pai
One big issue is the fan perception that Louisiana football is the biggest, baddest boy on the block......maybe Louisiana isn't geared to be undefeated every year.
We keep on talking talent, yet get pissed when Bama wins. WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! They pull in the top classes year in and year out; therefore, they should beat us every year. Can't have it both ways, especially when the top talent has the top coach.
We keep on talking talent, yet get pissed when Bama wins. WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! They pull in the top classes year in and year out; therefore, they should beat us every year. Can't have it both ways, especially when the top talent has the top coach.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:06 pm to CharlesLSU
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2011
13-1 / 8-0
2012
10-3 / 6-2
2013
10-3 / 5-3
2014
8-5 / 4-4
2015
7-2......
what are we looking at here? steady decline?
sprinkled in we have:
-the 2011 BCS championship debacle. After 40 days to prepare, the worst gameplan in LSU history comes to light.
-we've lost to MSU for the first time since 99'
- 3 bowl game losses
-back to back embarrassing losses to freakin' ARK
- 1-5 vs Bama
- exodus of underclassmen who aren't ready for the NFL
- Poor QB development
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:07 pm to BilJ
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I again also ask, what OC are you going to get that's capable of turning the offense around under what essentially boys to a one year try out?
A young, talented one from a smaller program. Considering its a last ditch effort versus long term hire, why not?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:07 pm to dgnx6
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Let the season play out.
we could end up 4-4 in the SEC....AGAIN.
in fact, the likelihood is higher than not.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:08 pm to CharlesLSU
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A young, talented one from a smaller program. Considering its a last ditch effort versus long term hire, why not?
Because if there is truth to Les meddling with the offense, it won't make any difference.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:11 pm to CharlesLSU
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A young, talented one from a smaller program. Considering its a last ditch effort versus long term hire, why not?
Miles put all the offensive game plan on his shoulders in the post game presser. Does that not tell you anything?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:11 pm to CharlesLSU
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One big issue is the fan perception that Louisiana football is the biggest, baddest boy on the block......maybe Louisiana isn't geared to be undefeated every year.
We keep on talking talent, yet get pissed when Bama wins. WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! They pull in the top classes year in and year out; therefore, they should beat us every year. Can't have it both ways, especially when the top talent has the top coach.
I respect your opinion, but think this is a defeatist attitude. If we have the talent and branding we have, as well as the highest paid staff in America, we should be striving to hit that next level. Simply staying on the field with Bama 40% of the time is not an acceptable result. That's an Arkansas type of goal. I'm not clamoring for undefeated seasons every year or national titles every other year. But we can do better, and we might have a proven guy to do it.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:12 pm to Lester Earl
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-the 2011 BCS championship debacle. After 40 days to prepare, the worst gameplan in LSU history comes to light. (a redo to one of the best coaches in history with equal or better talent and a rested team.....yet, I do agree the game plan sucked)
-we've lost to MSU for the first time since 99' (to a team led by a Heisman contender that went on to win 10 games.)
- 3 bowl game losses (this is a poor mark)
-back to back embarrassing losses to freakin' ARK (the same Arky that almost beat Bama and just beat Ole Miss while finishing VERY strong last year....they aren't Kentucky/Vandy)
- 1-5 vs Bama (they get all the #1 classes/talent, they should win.....same as asserting LSU should win because of talent)
- exodus of underclassmen who aren't ready for the NFL (bad angle because many leave due to the overwhelming success their peers are having.)
- Poor QB development (agreed.....this mixed with poor recruiting of DT QBs for a pro system
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:14 pm to CharlesLSU
Those sound like excuses for the coach of Tennessee or something.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:15 pm to CharlesLSU
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young, talented one from a smaller program. Considering its a last ditch effort versus long term hire, why not?
So the pitch is:
"Hey rising offensive coordinator, uproot your family to coach under a guy famous for meddling with the offense but pinky promised he won't do that anymore. Also, if you don't pull a 180 on the offense you're likely working for a lame duck coach. So probably don't buy a house here just yet."
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:17 pm to Lou Pai
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I respect your opinion, but think this is a defeatist attitude
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy......people tout LSU's talent but what happens when the other team has more AND an elite coach. Using the "les doesn't use our talent" angle is flawed. The man does frick the offense up and I agree with that 100%.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:18 pm to BilJ
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So the pitch is: "Hey rising offensive coordinator, uproot your family to coach under a guy famous for meddling with the offense but pinky promised he won't do that anymore. Also, if you don't pull a 180 on the offense you're likely working for a lame duck coach. So probably don't buy a house here just yet."
The pitch will have some financial securities for a young buck. Also, an ambitious young coach may see it as his 1 chance to make a splash on the big stage. That's not that far fetched.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:21 pm to CharlesLSU
you're also putting faith in Les to hire the right OC, he's batting.000 since Jimbo left.
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