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re: Is everyone on board that LSU will be better coached this year than past years?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:50 pm to Fat Bastard
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:50 pm to Fat Bastard
Yeah he edited the 2 from 3. Either way I'm wondering what he's arguing
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:01 pm to Madking
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It's 100% true denying facts doesn't change them though I see a lot of like minded individuals here think it does.
You are correct Pat Jones had consecutive 10 win seasons at OSU in 87-88 cherry picking aka selective stats also doesn't change the fact that after those seasons when the Hall of Fame RBs left he had 6 straight losing seasons including a zero win 10 loss 11 game season (0-10-1) season and was 62-60 overall at OSU.
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OSU is a better job than Ole Miss
Debatable but OM had only 4 losing seasons in 12 years before O was hired and a 10 win year 2 years before vs 11 losing seasons in the 12 OSU had before Miles.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:01 pm to RedTigerRulz
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But your making the illogical assumption that transitive logic applies here in this situation and it clearly doesnt.
You just wanna drag O thru the mud because you're pissed you didnt get the coach you want and....he's not Miles.
Wrong. You guys are so defensive and emotional that you believe others are bashing O. Pointing out the ugly truths on his resume aren't anything close to the personal attacks aimed at Les over the years.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
They were placed on probation in 89 and Pat Jones absolutely had a 10 win season before those running backs ever got to OSU. More cherry picking and double standards. Miles didn't win because of talent but any other coach discussed did. Btw it isn't debatable Oklahoma state is a better job than Ole Miss without question.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:13 pm to lsu2006
Yes I edited it because it was a mistake that's what you do when you make a mistake in spelling or typing you correct it.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:14 pm to nvasil1
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personal attacks aimed at Les over the years.
Less earned those attacks chief....deny it all u want.
And YES....transitive logic is being used to lambaste O.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:18 pm to lsu2006
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Yeah he edited the 2 from 3. Either way I'm wondering what he's arguing
He's trying to argue that Les Miles was not successful at OSU because he "avg only 7 wins" with his and his pal Ree's usual tactic of cherry picking to bash Miles and pump up anyone else.
I didn't see the pre edit but perhaps he was saying Pat Jones had 3 10 win seasons at OSU, which is true, 84 (the year he took over for Jimmy Johnson, 87 (Thurman Thomas' Sr year) and 88 (Barry Sanders Heisman season). He was 30-6 those 3 seasons and 30-54 the rest of time there, but he wants to argue he was more successful at OSU than Miles.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:24 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Less earned those attacks chief....deny it all u want.
So Les earned being called a retard by the mouthbreathers on here after winning 77% of his games, but no one should bring up O's head coaching record because that's just irrelevant.
How's that for transitive logic?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:28 pm to nvasil1
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So Les earned being called a retard by the mouthbreathers on here after winning 77% of his games, but no one should bring up O's head coaching record because that's just irrelevant.
That was 10 years ago!!! Nobody can win at Ole Miss!!! O was GREAT at USC and LSU!!! Houston Nutt won with O's players!!! Cutcliffe left O NO talent!!!
Did I cover everything?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:35 pm to Madking
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. More cherry picking and double standards
Do you realize how ironic this is coming from you? You are either dishonest a moron or completely lacking in self awareness
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Pat Jones absolutely had a 10 win season before those running backs ever got to OSU.
I never said he didn't but it 84 the year he took over Jimmy Johnson and Thomas was actually on the team it was his Freshman year.
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Miles didn't win because of talent but any other coach discussed did
Never said that either, but when I see a coach that was 62-60 overall have 2 straight 10-2 seasons with 2 hall of Fame RBs, including arguably the single best season a player ever had inCFB I consider that a factor. Just like I don't consider Gene Chizak a great coach even though he won a NC because outside of that season (with a player having maybe the 2nd best season ever). It's called looking at the entire picture.
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Btw it isn't debatable Oklahoma state is a better job than Ole Miss without question.
Before Os glorious tenure the last time OM has even 4 straight losing seasons was from 79-82. OSU has 12 in 13. OM is in tougher conference but Mississippi has a lot more talent in state and they do not have an in state program on OUs level so yes it is very debatable.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 7:08 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:47 am to H-Town Tiger
Talk about irony and self awareness I didn't even post the first quote you idiot. And yes you did say those things you said his only 10 win seasons were because of his two hof backs and they were the reason he won at all both false statements and a double standard comparison to Miles. Just because you continue to ignore the fact they were on probation those down years doesn't erase that it affects their record during that period. Btw ole miss is a shite job anybody who knows football knows that OSU has much more financial support and a larger less congested recruiting base.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 12:58 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:02 am to H-Town Tiger
We can't use Os record 10 years ago and now they are pulling Crap stats from when Reagan was president?
L. O. L.
L. O. L.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:14 am to StatMaster
Everyone points to Miles win percentages. If you take away all the rent a wins in his percentages and just look at SEC games, how does he stack up? Curious ?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:15 am to Madking
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Just because you continue to ignore the fact they were on probation those down years doesn't erase that it affects their record during that period.
If Miles were to get the Ole Miss job and starts losing more games than he wins, I sure hope you remember that sentence of yours i have quoted.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:16 am to StatMaster
If Coach O lets Canada and Aranda do their jobs no doubt they will be. No check with me bs like Miles did with the oc which got the play into the offense with 10 seconds left on the playclock.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:22 am to kew48
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Everyone points to Miles win percentages. If you take away all the rent a wins in his percentages and just look at SEC games, how does he stack up? Curious ?
You could do that IF every other coach and team didn't play those same teams as well, but they do. You gonna remove them from everyone's else's resume as well?
That's a worthless exercise.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:29 am to kew48
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If you take away all the rent a wins in his percentages and just look at SEC games, how does he stack up? Curious ?
If my math is correct, 12th best all-time winning percentage in league games.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 1:37 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:53 am to earl keese
Is this what your post have been reduced too? Using hypotheticals to make presumed accusations that are not only completely off topic but totally unwarranted and imagined with zero basis in reality. I can't wait til the season starts and your lots crawfishing begins. You ppl don't have the decency to just stay away or eat crow, instead your gonna try to pass off this unfair bashing as cautious optimism or some bullshite like that.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 6:58 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:58 am to kew48
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Everyone points to Miles win percentages. If you take away all the rent a wins in his percentages and just look at SEC games, how does he stack up? Curious ?
Care to use this same logic for O?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:46 am to Madking
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alk about irony and self awareness I didn't even post the first quote you idiot
Haha, copy and paste error I fixed it
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And yes you did say those things you said his only 10 win seasons were because of his two hof backs and they were the reason he won at all both false statements
No I did not say those were is only 10 win seasons. I said he had 2 10 win seasons with HOF RBs which is true. I did not mention his other 1 at first, you as usual jump to conclusions and read what you want to read, a classic straw man on your part.
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and a double standard comparison to Miles. Just because you continue to ignore the fact they were on probation those down years doesn't erase that it affects their record during that period
more delicious irony from you. I didn't mention Jones, you brought him up so you go back over decade before Miles was hired to say he did better at OSU. Ignoring the fact OSU has 11 losing seasons in 12 before Miles. That the sanctions were responsible for Jones bad seasons isn't really relevant to how Miles did there. He took a program that was in awful shape and turned it around, that is a fact. Jones clearly had a stacked roster his early years, Miles took over a program at rock bottom. If you want to say Jones and Gundy did better at OSU without considering the shape of the program when he got there then you are using double standards. Any why you cut Miles was successful at OSU which is all I said that you think other coaches were more successful is not really relevant because we weren't ranking OSU coaches.
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Btw ole miss is a shite job anybody who knows football knows that OSU has much more financial support and a larger less congested recruiting base.
No Ole Miss is not a shite job. And how on earth does OSU have a less congested recruiting base?
they have far less in state talent so I'm sure they have fewer OOS teams recruiting there but they, unlike OM have a top 5-10 program in state and then they have to recruit Texas. According to this OM made more revenue than OSU, though they were in the red and OSU turned a profit.
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