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re: interesting comments on brandon harris
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:46 am to Trauma14
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:46 am to Trauma14
" than Les"
I see. So Miles was responsible for developing quarterbacks at LSU. I'm wondering if Coach O is now responsible for developing quarterbacks?
If Harris had all the tools necessary to be a good quarterback, then why was his completion rate at LSU somewhere around 45%?
Harris had the same problem just about every quarterback at LSU had from 2008. Too much was asked of him too soon.
I see. So Miles was responsible for developing quarterbacks at LSU. I'm wondering if Coach O is now responsible for developing quarterbacks?
If Harris had all the tools necessary to be a good quarterback, then why was his completion rate at LSU somewhere around 45%?
Harris had the same problem just about every quarterback at LSU had from 2008. Too much was asked of him too soon.
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:56 am to luciouslou
He made a great throw right to the Wisky DB. Good form and footwork.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 9:58 am
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:29 am to luciouslou
Part of the problem was Brandon himself and part was what he was asked to do at LSU in a poor scheme.
No one really questioned his talent and he had plenty of coaching like George Whitfield.
His mechanics broke down in games and his accuracy suffered.
No one ever confirmed this but there were reports early on of him not being a great student of the game, and putting in the work in film study.
Regardless, with the Miles/Cameron scheme and what he was asked to do, it would have been difficult for him to succeed.
No one really questioned his talent and he had plenty of coaching like George Whitfield.
His mechanics broke down in games and his accuracy suffered.
No one ever confirmed this but there were reports early on of him not being a great student of the game, and putting in the work in film study.
Regardless, with the Miles/Cameron scheme and what he was asked to do, it would have been difficult for him to succeed.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:06 pm to LSUfanNkaty
quote:
Ah, yes.... it was his feet!
LMAO.... dude didn't know what the frick a check down even meant, nor could he learn more than 20 play calls...
But what do I know (nothing)
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I wish Brandon the best... I'm betting on him to win their starting job and boost his draft stock this year.
Doesnt sound like it.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:08 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
then why was his completion rate at LSU somewhere around 45%?
54%, or about the same as Matt Flynn in 2007. But carry on...
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:14 pm to paper tiger
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Tebow is a good example in football. Nobody worked harder on mechanics and footwork than he did, he is just not an accurate thrower.
Tebow had terrible mechanics so I'm not sure how you can claim "nobody worked harder on mechanics".
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:18 pm to atltiger6487
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this is so silly. Should we also never talk about Fournette, Shaq, Honey Badger, or OBJ either? I mean, they're not LSU players anymore.
Silly? To me, silly would be to categorize those who played their entire college career at LSU vs those who started at LSU and transferred to play at another university.... You can't tell me you honestly feel that Brandon Harris is in the same conversation as the other former LSU players. The dude isn't a tiger anymore... He will finish his career as a tar heel...
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:18 pm to MLCLyons
Tebows mechanics didn't hurt him in college
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:19 pm to SportTiger1
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Doesnt sound like it.
ya know, reading it back now, I did sound a bit contradictory LOLPosted on 8/10/17 at 12:54 pm to LSUfanNkaty
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Silly? To me, silly would be to categorize those who played their entire college career at LSU vs those who started at LSU and transferred to play at another university....
Sorry - I didn't read the Rant by-laws.
Apparently, after a player leaves LSU, we can only talk him on this board if he played his entire career here. So, (1) if he transferred in (like Mettenberger), or (2) if he transferred out (even after graduating, like Harris), no talk is allowed.
Did I get that right?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Tebows mechanics didn't hurt him in college
Yeah because of scheme and the fact that his team as a whole was superior to 99% of the other teams. There are tons of great QBs in college that are awful in the pros. There's also plenty of people who it's the exact opposite. I mean Tom Brady was an Honorable Mention for All-Big 10 both years he started. In 1998 the 1st and 2nd team were Joe Germaine and Drew Brees, and 1999 was Drew Brees and Antwaan Randle-El. Brees is obviously at or around the level of Brady, but the other two?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:15 pm to Dlab2013
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Sorry man, but you lose there. If Harris didnt know the Offense, he's litterally retarted.
Say wut?? But that's not exactly what I'm talking about or was referring to, but it doesn't matter now. I was talking about Cameron being too busy in getting him to be a pro style QB and out of what he was which was a spread passing/running QB in HS and then also having to teach him LSU's one dimensional prehistoric offense. Too busy with all that to show him how to be a complete QB. That's what I'm talking about and to be honest it probably still took him 3 seasons to learn that garbage they had him playing in. Half the time him and Miles didn't know what the hell they wanted to run. LolThis post was edited on 8/10/17 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:50 pm to atltiger6487
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I didn't read the Rant by-laws.
Well, maybe you should have
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:50 pm to LSU Groupee
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I am sure all that will end now that we hired a DL coach. The media talks offense. The fans talk offense. The AD talks offense. LSU hires a DL coach.
Of course hiring a new OC that ran one of the most prolific offenses last season wouldn't help. A coach who proved his ability to adapt his offense to his players' skills and adapt his gameplan to the opponent he faced. An OC that increased his QB's YPA from 7.3 to 9.3, TD/INT ratio from 20/8 to 27/9 and increased his QBR by 20+ in his first season with the OC.
Nope. Shouldn't help at all.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 4:41 pm to rmnldr
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Ding ding ding. All of Harris' problems are between the ears and I'm not calling him dumb. He panics at times.
Here in lies the problem. Miles had it ingrained into every QB at LSU, "if the first read is not there, don't force the ball....we want zero turnovers." It was so bad that every QB since Flynn, and even him at times, were scared to throw the ball or make plays. It was basically an "offense for dummies" philosophy.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 5:49 pm to Run DMC
So what happens when he lights it up at UNC????????
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:17 pm to dukke v
For the "Litterally Retarted" crap posted in this thread:
With Harris, Fedora has the chance to put an exclamation point at the end of a decade of quarterback futility at LSU. When Fedora turns Harris into a 4,000-yard passer with nothing more than one fall camp together, it will be the ultimate compliment to his system and the definitive Dagger in the Les Miles "Fred&Barney Flinstones" era.
In 5 seasons Fedora starting quarterbacks have thrown for at least 3,000 yards, 20 touchdowns and completed more than 60 percent of their passes. Trubisky in 2016 had 3,748 pass yards, 30 touchdowns and a 68.2 completion percentage. Fedora's expectations for Harris are higher because of his arm, accuracy, and added running ability. Fedora was also quick to point out that Harris was under center in 3rd and long with no Tempo far too often, taking 5 & 7 step drops leading to sacks and injury. His system has the QB in the Shotgun.
Fedora agreed with Swinney and Fisher that the ACC is what the SEC used to be before it became Top Heavy with Saban and the huge gap to "everyone else". The ACC made better Coaching hires and they utilize DTQBs to win games and NC Championships - 2 of the last 4. Fedora said the SEC, with the better players, should turn around with better Coaching & QB play.
The footwork issue is simply untangling the crap he was forced to learn at LSU and letting him do what he did in High School and as a True Freshman at LSU.
In 2014 after MSST & NMST Harris led the nation with a 74% Completion Rate, a 243 Passer Rating and a 95.5 QBR while operating from a shotgun spread with 3-4 WRs. He had 6 passing TDs and 3 rushing TDs in a little under 3 qtrs of playing time, scoring 84 pts in 12 of 15 possessions: LSU true FR all time records. Any good Coach AND ALLEVA would have had a Eureka Epiphany and LSU would have joined the modern offensive world except the 2 Flinstones, Les and Cam who were "litterally retarted".
Harris' performance was terrify to FBs, LF7, TM18, Hilliard, and La'El Collins - they all needed their touches to attain their personal/professional vs TEAM goals. And Miles said he hated spread, Tempo, and Passing. "3 yds and a cloud of dust" did not move the chains in 2011-2016, not even with Leonard the Great. Slow and Predictable is dead.
So the Flinstones took the equivalent of Deshaun Watson and stuck him under center trying to learn Cam's "admittedly overly complex archaic system".
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CAMERON: He was fired from Indiana where he won less than 1/3 of his games (18-37) with Antwaan Randle El who finished his career with a 49% completion rate. He was also fired by Miami (1-15), twice by the Ravens after making no progress with Flacco, and twice from LSU with 1 Jindal pardon thrown in.
After being fired from the Ravens he was replaced by Mannings ex-HC, Jim Caldwell, who simplified the Offense and gave Flacco the controls in an up-Tempo spread. Flacco finished the postseason having completed 73-of-126 (57.9 percent) passes for 1,140 yards with 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, tying Montana and Kurt Warner for the most touchdowns in a single postseason and additionally tying Montana for the most touchdowns without an interception in a single postseason. Flacco's 117.2 passer rating tied him for third place all-time with Steve Young in a Super Bowl-winning postseason. He was rewarded with a $120 million dollar contract.
With Harris, Fedora has the chance to put an exclamation point at the end of a decade of quarterback futility at LSU. When Fedora turns Harris into a 4,000-yard passer with nothing more than one fall camp together, it will be the ultimate compliment to his system and the definitive Dagger in the Les Miles "Fred&Barney Flinstones" era.
In 5 seasons Fedora starting quarterbacks have thrown for at least 3,000 yards, 20 touchdowns and completed more than 60 percent of their passes. Trubisky in 2016 had 3,748 pass yards, 30 touchdowns and a 68.2 completion percentage. Fedora's expectations for Harris are higher because of his arm, accuracy, and added running ability. Fedora was also quick to point out that Harris was under center in 3rd and long with no Tempo far too often, taking 5 & 7 step drops leading to sacks and injury. His system has the QB in the Shotgun.
Fedora agreed with Swinney and Fisher that the ACC is what the SEC used to be before it became Top Heavy with Saban and the huge gap to "everyone else". The ACC made better Coaching hires and they utilize DTQBs to win games and NC Championships - 2 of the last 4. Fedora said the SEC, with the better players, should turn around with better Coaching & QB play.
The footwork issue is simply untangling the crap he was forced to learn at LSU and letting him do what he did in High School and as a True Freshman at LSU.
In 2014 after MSST & NMST Harris led the nation with a 74% Completion Rate, a 243 Passer Rating and a 95.5 QBR while operating from a shotgun spread with 3-4 WRs. He had 6 passing TDs and 3 rushing TDs in a little under 3 qtrs of playing time, scoring 84 pts in 12 of 15 possessions: LSU true FR all time records. Any good Coach AND ALLEVA would have had a Eureka Epiphany and LSU would have joined the modern offensive world except the 2 Flinstones, Les and Cam who were "litterally retarted".
Harris' performance was terrify to FBs, LF7, TM18, Hilliard, and La'El Collins - they all needed their touches to attain their personal/professional vs TEAM goals. And Miles said he hated spread, Tempo, and Passing. "3 yds and a cloud of dust" did not move the chains in 2011-2016, not even with Leonard the Great. Slow and Predictable is dead.
So the Flinstones took the equivalent of Deshaun Watson and stuck him under center trying to learn Cam's "admittedly overly complex archaic system".
___________________________________________________________
CAMERON: He was fired from Indiana where he won less than 1/3 of his games (18-37) with Antwaan Randle El who finished his career with a 49% completion rate. He was also fired by Miami (1-15), twice by the Ravens after making no progress with Flacco, and twice from LSU with 1 Jindal pardon thrown in.
After being fired from the Ravens he was replaced by Mannings ex-HC, Jim Caldwell, who simplified the Offense and gave Flacco the controls in an up-Tempo spread. Flacco finished the postseason having completed 73-of-126 (57.9 percent) passes for 1,140 yards with 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, tying Montana and Kurt Warner for the most touchdowns in a single postseason and additionally tying Montana for the most touchdowns without an interception in a single postseason. Flacco's 117.2 passer rating tied him for third place all-time with Steve Young in a Super Bowl-winning postseason. He was rewarded with a $120 million dollar contract.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:23 pm to SEC Grapevine
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When Fedora turns Harris into a 4,000-yard passer with nothing more than one fall camp
Willing to place a ban bet on this?
Diarse was supposed to go catch 100 balls too
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:21 am to SEC Grapevine
quote:Thanks for your observations Grapevine, I think we will all be watching UNC closely this year. It may be painful, but if it turns out as you predict, it will give some of us closure on the Miles / Cameron years.
So the Flinstones took the equivalent of Deshaun Watson and stuck him under center trying to learn Cam's "admittedly overly complex archaic system".
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:33 am to luciouslou
Practice! We talking bout Practice!! Put him in the game, different story
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