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In 2002, we scored less than 10 points in a game three times
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:48 am
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:48 am
all were losses:
Virginia Tech, 8-26 (Blacksburg, VA)
Auburn, 7-31 (Auburn)
Alabama, 0-31 (Baton Rouge)
This was Jimbo's third season with LSU. All three losses were with inexperienced QB's (Mauck for the first one, and Randall for the latter two).
LINK to 2002 Season Results
Just trying to provide food for thought...with an inexperienced Randall as our QB, we were a few hairs away from losing the last six games of the 2002 season.
This example is just to illustrate the our offense has hit rock bottom in the recent past...
Crowton's offense put up big numbers in 2007 ( LINK to 2007 Season results). I haven't looked back at any of the games from 2007 but I have a feeling that the offensive game planning and play calling were much different. Of course, Flynn was a 5th-year senior, but I just remember us having much more of a vertical passing game, and not the horizontal stuff we seem to be getting this year.
I am hoping the bye week gives the staff some time to regroup and change it up. I am still in the camp that believes we have the capability to win out (but also believe we could lose all but two).
I feel that the players are trying their best, and I will never dump on a player (and we are very watchful about how players are criticized on here). Am I disappointed in their play? Sure. I am more disappointed in how we have not utilized Shepard and Lee more in the offense.
Miles didn't have the luxury of bringing in a backup when Lee was melting down last year. I don't believe that is the case this year. I feel it has been a mistake to not turn to Lee when Jefferson has struggled. And it was a mistake not to let Lee see significant action (he came in for just one play) in the only game in which we had a large margin of victory (ULL game).
This Auburn game is huge and will answer the newest crop of questions that have arisen since the Florida game, the most important being whether our coaching staff has a solution to the offense's problems.
Virginia Tech, 8-26 (Blacksburg, VA)
Auburn, 7-31 (Auburn)
Alabama, 0-31 (Baton Rouge)
This was Jimbo's third season with LSU. All three losses were with inexperienced QB's (Mauck for the first one, and Randall for the latter two).
LINK to 2002 Season Results
Just trying to provide food for thought...with an inexperienced Randall as our QB, we were a few hairs away from losing the last six games of the 2002 season.
This example is just to illustrate the our offense has hit rock bottom in the recent past...
Crowton's offense put up big numbers in 2007 ( LINK to 2007 Season results). I haven't looked back at any of the games from 2007 but I have a feeling that the offensive game planning and play calling were much different. Of course, Flynn was a 5th-year senior, but I just remember us having much more of a vertical passing game, and not the horizontal stuff we seem to be getting this year.
I am hoping the bye week gives the staff some time to regroup and change it up. I am still in the camp that believes we have the capability to win out (but also believe we could lose all but two).
I feel that the players are trying their best, and I will never dump on a player (and we are very watchful about how players are criticized on here). Am I disappointed in their play? Sure. I am more disappointed in how we have not utilized Shepard and Lee more in the offense.
Miles didn't have the luxury of bringing in a backup when Lee was melting down last year. I don't believe that is the case this year. I feel it has been a mistake to not turn to Lee when Jefferson has struggled. And it was a mistake not to let Lee see significant action (he came in for just one play) in the only game in which we had a large margin of victory (ULL game).
This Auburn game is huge and will answer the newest crop of questions that have arisen since the Florida game, the most important being whether our coaching staff has a solution to the offense's problems.
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Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:53 am to Chicken
quote:
I feel it has been a mistake to not turn to Lee when Jefferson has struggled
Agreed. Why can't Lee come in for a series and give Jefferson a chance to regain his composure?
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:01 am to Chicken
Chicken,
Please refrain from logic and reasoning.
Thank you.
Signed,
The Rant
Please refrain from logic and reasoning.
Thank you.
Signed,
The Rant
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:01 am to CincoTiger
quote:I said this in another thread: the answer could be that he doesn't want to hurt Jefferson's feelings, or he doesn't want a potential QB controversy.
Why can't Lee come in for a series and give Jefferson a chance to regain his composure?
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:03 am to Chicken
quote:
Miles didn't have the luxury of bringing in a backup when Lee was melting down last year. I don't believe that is the case this year. I feel it has been a mistake to not turn to Lee when Jefferson has struggled. And it was a mistake not to let Lee see significant action (he came in for just one play) in the only game in which we had a large margin of victory (ULL game).
Thank you Chicken. I agree with everything you said.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:04 am to Chicken
quote:
or he doesn't want a potential QB controversy
This
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:05 am to Chicken
quote:
the answer could be that he doesn't want to hurt Jefferson's feelings, or he doesn't want a potential QB controversy.
This could very well be it. Didn't JJ's dad or one of his relatives have something to say about the QB controversy last year?
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:06 am to Chicken
quote:
I said this in another thread: the answer could be that he doesn't want to hurt Jefferson's feelings, or he doesn't want a potential QB controversy.
Or, based on what they see in practice, they think he's the same QB they had under center last year.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:09 am to Chicken
quote:You don't hurt a QB's feelings if he knows before the game begins that he is going to watch a possession from the sidelines.
I said this in another thread: the answer could be that he doesn't want to hurt Jefferson's feelings, or he doesn't want a potential QB controversy.
And you don't fuel a QB controversy if you let the fans know that the #2 QB is the #2 QB but that he will get a possession/game.
(Well, perhaps you shouldn't don't tell that second sentence to Guidry fans.)
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:09 am to denvertiger
quote:He has been the 2nd string QB since the Arkansas game last year. I am betting he hasn't had much chance to prove himself in practice with the first teamers.
Or, based on what they see in practice, they think he's the same QB they had under center last year.
Who looked better in the spring game? I really don't know...just curious how Lee looked compared to Jefferson.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:10 am to Chicken
quote:
Crowton's offense put up big numbers in 2007 ( LINK to 2007 Season results). I haven't looked back at any of the games from 2007 but I have a feeling that the offensive game planning and play calling were much different. Of course, Flynn was a 5th-year senior, but I just remember us having much more of a vertical passing game, and not the horizontal stuff we seem to be getting this year.
I could not agree more. The fact that Flynn was a 5th year QB played a huge role in the way Crowton and Miles developed their offensive scheme. Whether the fans like or not it's just going to take some time to develop these QB's under Gary Crowton's style of offense.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:10 am to Chicken
quote:
Crowton's offense put up big numbers in 2007 ( LINK to 2007 Season results). I haven't looked back at any of the games from 2007 but I have a feeling that the offensive game planning and play calling were much different. Of course, Flynn was a 5th-year senior, but I just remember us having much more of a vertical passing game, and not the horizontal stuff we seem to be getting this year.
I agree with you Chicken and I agree with Laney's article from the advocate. (BTW, Thanks for the newsy opening page to Tigerdroppings. It kind of buffers me for the rantards.)
I believe that all are doing their best. Jefferson should continue to start but bring in Lee for a series, maybe the third series of the game so that Jefferson has the opportunity to watch the defense and allow the game to "Slow Down" for him a bit.
I would also like to see Shepard a bit more, but I would like to see Reuben Randall even more than having Shepard out there. I believe Randall has the hands an play-making ability to take the vertical pass play and add a multitude of yards after the catch.
We also need to look for the tight end more. We did that against Ohio State in the NC Game and it totally took them by surprise. I really don't think we are making defenses account for our tight end and we should make them pay for this.
I agree with your never wanting to come down on a player. These are teenagers to early twenties age group and all will make mistakes from time to time. I am proud of the attitude of the players on both sides of the ball and the lack of moaning and finger pointing we have at this time. That show the quality of character of the members of the team.
We just have to run the plays that we can have success with, not trying to out-trick or out-think an opponent and I am confident we can be successful.
Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:13 am to denvertiger
My problem with the whole Jefferson thing is this:
I can see them not giving him opportunities to throw down field because of the trust factor. What I don't understand is why we haven't opened up the short slants to our premier receivers whose talent is being wasted. All it takes is a slight opening to break one of these. This would in-turn open up the deeper passes with slant-n-go etc. This is what I miss most about Jimbo.
I can see them not giving him opportunities to throw down field because of the trust factor. What I don't understand is why we haven't opened up the short slants to our premier receivers whose talent is being wasted. All it takes is a slight opening to break one of these. This would in-turn open up the deeper passes with slant-n-go etc. This is what I miss most about Jimbo.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:18 am to Emergent C Steve
We also need to look for the tight end more. We did that against Ohio State in the NC Game and it totally took them by surprise. I really don't think we are making defenses account for our tight end and we should make them pay for this.
This! Dickson is money! I beleive he was thrown to once in the Florida game.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:25 am to Chicken
quote:
Who looked better in the spring game? I really don't know...just curious how Lee looked compared to Jefferson.
From where I sat, there was not much discernable difference. The obvious winner in regards to armstrength was the young man from Mississippi. If the coaches do not want to burn his redshirt, fine. Lee need to be evaluated in gametime situations, this year. If he cannot cut it again this year, then we know we will not be able to count on him. I do not believe this to be the case.
FWIW: I believe we also need to see Lonergan in the game for a series or two and we need to see Russell Shepard throw some passes/run the offense.
Evaluations in practice and pre-season are only so good. You cannot really simulate SEC type game situations.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:36 am to jnugz187
quote:
What I don't understand is why we haven't opened up the short slants to our premier receivers whose talent is being wasted. All it takes is a slight opening to break one of these.
I've been asking the same question. These are plays Jefferson can make; I assume you saw the same ones I did against Georgia a couple weeks ago.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:41 am to Chicken
In 2003, the year we won a National Championship, our offense failed to score a point against a mediocre UF team that went 8-5. We lost that game 19-7.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:06 am to Coach in Waiting
quote:I didn't want to bring that up since that offense was much stronger than this one...that game was a fluke and our performances in other games that year proved that. In 2002, we had QB issues (among other issues) and the results proved that.
In 2003, the year we won a National Championship, our offense failed to score a point against a mediocre UF team that went 8-5. We lost that game 19-7.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:07 am to Chicken
quote:
Who looked better in the spring game? I really don't know...just curious how Lee looked compared to Jefferson.
I don't necessarily disagree. Especially based on the offensive output this year. But just to play devil's advocate, I'm not sure you want JL running for his life back there any more then you want JJ doing the same. Where JJ tends to be tentative, JL tended to try to force things and the results were often disasterous.
Pick your poison, I suppose.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:12 am to denvertiger
But what was our total offensive rank those years? 1-2 bad games fine, but this O cannot score on anybody and will have trouble the rest of the season barring a miracle light switch going off.
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