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If you were to cling to optimism...
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:28 pm
Every team usually has one really bad or at least sub par performance a year. LSU even in our better years has had some. Even with Saban we had an awful loss to a 5 loss unranked UF team at home the year we won the national championship. We had one score on special teams and 0 points offensively and let true freshman leak torch exploit our secondary.
If this is our worst performance of the year them it might be a little bit easier to stomach. It's not common that we have our worst game in the opener but it's not like it's some universal impossibility either.
The one thing that really concerns me is that I genuinely think that Miles was delusional enough to think that we could just roll out the team without a very well thought out game plan and just out athlete Wisconsin. That game plan had the appearance of a game plan we would use for an early season cupcake to keep things "close to the vest" which is ridiculous. Wisconsin was a formidable opponent for any team and we should have had a much more diversified approach.
Other concerns
- punting doesn't appear to have any chance of getting better.
- The offense: it appears if we aren't successful early then we won't be successful at all. If we make a habit out of starting games with back to back 3 and outs we can expect the rest of the game to go about the same. They need to develop a rhythm. We don't have the type of passing game that can just pop up out of nowhere when needed.
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If this is our worst performance of the year them it might be a little bit easier to stomach. It's not common that we have our worst game in the opener but it's not like it's some universal impossibility either.
The one thing that really concerns me is that I genuinely think that Miles was delusional enough to think that we could just roll out the team without a very well thought out game plan and just out athlete Wisconsin. That game plan had the appearance of a game plan we would use for an early season cupcake to keep things "close to the vest" which is ridiculous. Wisconsin was a formidable opponent for any team and we should have had a much more diversified approach.
Other concerns
- punting doesn't appear to have any chance of getting better.
- The offense: it appears if we aren't successful early then we won't be successful at all. If we make a habit out of starting games with back to back 3 and outs we can expect the rest of the game to go about the same. They need to develop a rhythm. We don't have the type of passing game that can just pop up out of nowhere when needed.
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Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:32 pm to Powerman
I just want Les Miles fired. I can't see his face on our sideline anymore. He used to be a good coach, but those days are gone. He has gotten lazy and his OC is trashcan.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:36 pm to I-H8-BAMA
I'd only be ok with him staying if he hired a legit OC and let them have full reign of the offense. We should have backed up the brinks truck to Kiffin last year after the season was over.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:44 pm to Powerman
1) Sometimes teams aren't firing on all cylinders in week 1. I'm guessing this happens because some issues didn't show up in practice. Let's hope that is the case here.
2) It was a day game, and we always suck in day games. I don't know why, but we need to fix that soon. Maybe we need to bring in a psychologist. Maybe we need fewer vampires and more day walkers. idk, but I'm very tired of it.
3) We shuffled the O-Line. They might need some time to gel. They could get much better.
4) We installed a new defense. They seemed a little tentative and the tackling needs to get better, but they could get stout in a hurry. They were pretty tough in the red zone. Furthermore, as Wisky went through this with Aranda a few years ago, they were in a position to know what would cause our players trouble out of the box.
5) The run pass ratio was 58/42, which is a pretty big shift from the 70/30 we've been seeing. Plus, we actually went for a 4th and 1 in our own half of the field. Even though the resulting Wisky FG may have cost us the game, it does at least show that Les is trying to open up the offense. Whether he is capable of doing that successfully is yet to be seen.
6) Previously I was agitated that we threw nothing but long balls. Now we are calling more intermediate routes. Yes, we have a long way to go. That being said, I would like to have seen a bit more long ball against Wisky. It seems like the one time we did our receiver got hauled down.
So... It was bad, but there's hope.
2) It was a day game, and we always suck in day games. I don't know why, but we need to fix that soon. Maybe we need to bring in a psychologist. Maybe we need fewer vampires and more day walkers. idk, but I'm very tired of it.
3) We shuffled the O-Line. They might need some time to gel. They could get much better.
4) We installed a new defense. They seemed a little tentative and the tackling needs to get better, but they could get stout in a hurry. They were pretty tough in the red zone. Furthermore, as Wisky went through this with Aranda a few years ago, they were in a position to know what would cause our players trouble out of the box.
5) The run pass ratio was 58/42, which is a pretty big shift from the 70/30 we've been seeing. Plus, we actually went for a 4th and 1 in our own half of the field. Even though the resulting Wisky FG may have cost us the game, it does at least show that Les is trying to open up the offense. Whether he is capable of doing that successfully is yet to be seen.
6) Previously I was agitated that we threw nothing but long balls. Now we are calling more intermediate routes. Yes, we have a long way to go. That being said, I would like to have seen a bit more long ball against Wisky. It seems like the one time we did our receiver got hauled down.
So... It was bad, but there's hope.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:49 pm to Powerman
Our only real high percentage short pass play is the bubble screen. LF could have housed a rb screen but naturally we missed a key block. Nothing intermediate unless harris flings one up there and has chi or dural go up and get it. TEs are ghosts (Smith could be a huge weapon) and if you're hell bent on i-form, get the fb involved with a little 3-4 yard dumpoff on first down. Extend the run game. Drag the TE. Harris just ends up in impossible situations. Their approach they took into the bowl game would have worked much better.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:50 pm to DocBugbear
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Sometimes teams aren't firing on all cylinders in week 1. I'm guessing this happens because some issues didn't show up in practice. Let's hope that is the case here.
O line sucks, special teams suck, Harris throws over people's heads--same problems as all of last year, so what the frock are you talking about?
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:51 pm to S
Right we finally complete a screen pass and then we can't get it blocked 
Seriously that could be a very dangerous play and if we could execute it early in a game it could pay dividends for the remainder of the game.
Seriously that could be a very dangerous play and if we could execute it early in a game it could pay dividends for the remainder of the game.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:53 pm to Powerman
Its time for Miles to go. Period. His time as lsu's coach is up. I thank him for giving us a great tenure but the inability to put a offensive gameplan together just isnt there. We have the highest paid OC in cfb and tbat what we get after an entire off season? Our offense looked better last year.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:53 pm to Powerman
Whenever we call a screen (like hill at UF 2012) i see halle's comet in my head
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:55 pm to S
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Harris just ends up in impossible situations.
Bruh Harris doesnt trust himself. He refuses to actually throw the ball once he has finished his drop. He will never throw a wr open. Harris did not play well yesterday and there were plays there for him to make.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 3:56 pm to Rickdaddy4188
What Im saying is after two dreadful first and second down calls is he lands in a whole lot more 3rd and 7s than 3rd and 2s
Posted on 9/4/16 at 4:00 pm to S
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What Im saying is after two dreadful first and second down calls is he lands in a whole lot more 3rd and 7s than 3rd and 2s
We had numerous 3 and shorts last night. Harris isnt put in a position to succeed all the time but there were most certainly play he shouldve made yesterday. Anyone with football knowledge can see that he can not read the defense while taking his drop. When is the last time you saw harris take his 3/5 step drop and fire the ball out once his right foot hit the plant spot? It doenst happen. Put the guy in the shotgun and stop asking him to do things he isnt capable of doing.
This post was edited on 9/4/16 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 9/4/16 at 4:03 pm to Powerman
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I'd only be ok with him staying if he hired a legit OC and let them have full reign of the offense. We should have backed up the brinks truck to Kiffin last year after the season was over.
You know damn well he's too stubborn and Kiffin is making less than Cam Cameron FFS, we could get him on the cheap.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 4:06 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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You know damn well he's too stubborn and Kiffin is making less than Cam Cameron FFS, we could get him on the cheap.
Right. I'd rather not be cheap though because he'll have some head coaching gigs available as well. He might turn down a head coaching gig if the money is right here. And if he can fix the LSU offense he would be regarded as a guru.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 4:07 pm to Rickdaddy4188
He does need to be in the gun more. And his receivers need to be put in better spots which in turn helps the line so things don't take an hour to develop. He almost got into rhythm when we unleashed the bubble screen ans he was able to avoid some pressure but this whole offense just has a long way to go. Its clear not much changed over the summer
This post was edited on 9/4/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 9/4/16 at 4:08 pm to Powerman
I want them next week vs Jax st to really see what Harris can do in the 1st half. Open the playbook and throw the ball. If he can't light it up, scramble some and make good decisions sit him and trot out Etling to start the 2nd half to see if he can manage the offense.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 4:10 pm to S
the RB screens to the outside don't really work because our OL can't block em. they just look like fat, uncoordinated slobs. the little middle RB screen has worked, but I think opponents know it's coming all too often.
the bubble for the TD was nice. as was the 1st down quick throw to Dural from our own 2 after they downed that punt. I think that might have even been Harris checking out of a run play. Travin looks to have broadened his game to not just be a deep threat. hopefully we can build on that.
the bubble for the TD was nice. as was the 1st down quick throw to Dural from our own 2 after they downed that punt. I think that might have even been Harris checking out of a run play. Travin looks to have broadened his game to not just be a deep threat. hopefully we can build on that.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 4:13 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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his OC is trashcan.
And the best man in his wedding, there in lies the problem......
Posted on 9/4/16 at 4:18 pm to DocBugbear
I think y'all are also failing to realize just how hyped up Wiscy was for this game. There was the "quad-fecta" of this being their first game of the season, against an SEC opponent, their old coach, and in their own back yard. Wisconsin isn't some directional school either, they're a pretty tough out. I think y'all expected to walk in and out-talent them, thinking it was a cupcake first game, and it came back to bite everyone in the arse. Regardless this loss doesn't look nearly as bad as some are making it out to be.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 4:20 pm to Powerman
Kiffin is still getting SC money from his buyout, that's why seems underpaid. whatever he gets at another gig just subtracts from that, but he still gets paid like 3 mil a yr total IIRC. so essentially, unless someone pays him more than that, he has no financial incentive to leave. though I think the SC deal may be done in the next year or 2.
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