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IF We Do Go 7-5 in 09
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:19 pm
What are the reasons Miles should stay? This is in response to a lot of threads, but I haven't really read where anyone gave an explanation why. 14-10 over two seasons (not counting bowls) with LSU's talent is severely underachieving, and I don't see what giving him another year would really accomplish. I don't think we'll go 7-5, but it really wouldn't surprise me considering the fact that we shouldn't have lost more than three games this year. Next year will be a lot tougher than this year fellas as far as schedule goes. IF this happens, here will be Miles record at LSU:
2005 - 11-2
2006 - 11-2
2007 - 12-2
2008 - 7-5
2009 - 7-5
What would your major reason for bringing him back for 2010 (aside from a buyout)? Does the 2007 season still give him a pass at that point?
2005 - 11-2
2006 - 11-2
2007 - 12-2
2008 - 7-5
2009 - 7-5
What would your major reason for bringing him back for 2010 (aside from a buyout)? Does the 2007 season still give him a pass at that point?
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:22 pm to AlexLSU
I think he gets one more year.
May also depend on how the team is competing. Is it still a cluster f*** to get a defensive call in or was the team improving and playing close?
May also depend on how the team is competing. Is it still a cluster f*** to get a defensive call in or was the team improving and playing close?
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:25 pm to AlexLSU
If we go 13-1 in '09 will you think it was blind luck and go ahead and put him on the hotseat for '11 ?
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:26 pm to I-59 Tiger
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If we go 13-1 in '09 will you think it was blind luck and go ahead and put him on the hotseat for '11 ?
I will then be fully confident in him as a coach, no questions asked.
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:26 pm to AlexLSU
yeah i'll give him 2 more years regardless
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:36 pm to AlexLSU
cross that bridge when we get there...alot of factors could contirbute...injuries, bad luck... however if it came from alot of the same reasons this year..then uh-oh.
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:37 pm to Me Bite
Do you think you could attract a quality coach at LSU after firing a guy with that record???? Look at the luck Auburn is having attracting a coach.
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:39 pm to conman
This is a message board so I think it's legit to speculate.
7-5 would mean to me would mean that Miles did not address the defensive situation and he should be gone.
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:40 pm to conman
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Do you think you could attract a quality coach at LSU after firing a guy with that record???? Look at the luck Auburn is having attracting a coach.
They may get Turner Gill, which would be huge.
And yes, I think we could attract someone bigtime if that were to occur. I'm sure most coaches would accept the fact that playing below .500 ball in the SEC at LSU with their talent is unacceptable.
Oh and I agree the circumstances of 7-5 matter. Oregon's team last year deserved a shot at the MNC, but injuries killed them. Teams like LSU this year underachieved more so due to poor play and coaching.
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:41 pm to Northwestern tiger
Yeah, I mean really....what are the circumstances? Do the 3 quarterbacks that have game experience get kicked off the team again?
SEC fans are fricking rediculous. Everyone wants to fire a coach without:
1) knowing who the replacement would be (under the assumption that "anyone can do it" - see rich rod to Michigan)
2) Take into account the circumstances...such as losing a QB that was the former #1 recruit and had been in the system for 4 years.
3) No accounting for finances. Money, especially in this economy, does not grow on trees. You are going to have to pay a coach more than Miles if you can him - but spending doesn't equal winning. Look at Michigan. They still sold out all their games this season, but ticket and concession revenues are NOTHING compared to television revenues.
Think about how much money Tennessee and Auburn spent on buyouts and hiring. Do you really think that Lane Kiffin will do better over the next 4 seasons than Fulmer did over his last 4? Do you really think that Tennessee will be able to make it back to the SEC championship under Kiffin? If so, how many more nationally televised games is Kiffin going to get than Fulmer did over the previous 4? Get real if you think it's a good business decision.
While the state U spends money on buyouts with a minimal (if any) return on the investment, the state itself goes bankrupt (The WSJ reported yesterday that 43 states are in danger of going bankrupt). There will be money for the head coach but not for public sewers and water?
Miles is a guy who stood with us through Katrina and brought us an SEC championship and BCS trophy. Why would you even ask if we would go 7-5 next year? We could very well be 9-3 if it weren't for a few fluke plays, and 10-2 with a few less interceptions.
Give it a rest.
SEC fans are fricking rediculous. Everyone wants to fire a coach without:
1) knowing who the replacement would be (under the assumption that "anyone can do it" - see rich rod to Michigan)
2) Take into account the circumstances...such as losing a QB that was the former #1 recruit and had been in the system for 4 years.
3) No accounting for finances. Money, especially in this economy, does not grow on trees. You are going to have to pay a coach more than Miles if you can him - but spending doesn't equal winning. Look at Michigan. They still sold out all their games this season, but ticket and concession revenues are NOTHING compared to television revenues.
Think about how much money Tennessee and Auburn spent on buyouts and hiring. Do you really think that Lane Kiffin will do better over the next 4 seasons than Fulmer did over his last 4? Do you really think that Tennessee will be able to make it back to the SEC championship under Kiffin? If so, how many more nationally televised games is Kiffin going to get than Fulmer did over the previous 4? Get real if you think it's a good business decision.
While the state U spends money on buyouts with a minimal (if any) return on the investment, the state itself goes bankrupt (The WSJ reported yesterday that 43 states are in danger of going bankrupt). There will be money for the head coach but not for public sewers and water?
Miles is a guy who stood with us through Katrina and brought us an SEC championship and BCS trophy. Why would you even ask if we would go 7-5 next year? We could very well be 9-3 if it weren't for a few fluke plays, and 10-2 with a few less interceptions.
Give it a rest.
Posted on 12/10/08 at 12:56 pm to ironsides
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1) knowing who the replacement would be (under the assumption that "anyone can do it" - see rich rod to Michigan)
Well Les was eagerly let go from OSU when he came here, so if he can do it at LSU, I'm sure a bunch of guys could. Yes, that's me basically saying I think a lot of coaches in CFB could have great success here. Rich Rod is putting a completely new system in with no players. I think he's going to revolutionize Big10 football in a way if he gets the right pieces at Meechigan.
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2) Take into account the circumstances...such as losing a QB that was the former #1 recruit and had been in the system for 4 years.
Not really an excuse for this year, because there are plenty of other reasons we've struggled. Massive injuries are a reason 7-5 is okay though.
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No accounting for finances. Money, especially in this economy, does not grow on trees. You are going to have to pay a coach more than Miles if you can him - but spending doesn't equal winning. Look at Michigan. They still sold out all their games this season, but ticket and concession revenues are NOTHING compared to television revenues.
We wouldn't have to pay the coach any more than his previous job. Miles is paid so well because of winning a national title.
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Think about how much money Tennessee and Auburn spent on buyouts and hiring. Do you really think that Lane Kiffin will do better over the next 4 seasons than Fulmer did over his last 4?
I do. I don't think Kiffin is a fantastic coach, but I think he'll energize that sinking ship of a program.
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Get real if you think it's a good business decision
Dude, have you seen how bad Tenn has struggled with their talent? Something needed to be done.
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Miles is a guy who stood with us through Katrina and brought us an SEC championship and BCS trophy. Why would you even ask if we would go 7-5 next year?
Because we went 7-5 this year? Because we will be a younger team next year? Because we will have a harder schedule next year?
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We could very well be 9-3 if it weren't for a few fluke plays, and 10-2 with a few less interceptions.
And we could've been 7-5 in 2007 without the last second TD against AU, 5 4th downs against UF, and a 4th down TD/JPW fumble against Bama. Not to mention Zenon's pick 6 against Tenn in the SECCG.
Posted on 12/10/08 at 1:43 pm to AlexLSU
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I do. I don't think Kiffin is a fantastic coach, but I think he'll energize that sinking ship of a program.
And Penn State was a sinking ship of a program 3 years ago and they're back.
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Rich Rod is putting a completely new system in with no players. I think he's going to revolutionize Big10 football in a way if he gets the right pieces at Meechigan.
A good coach would have utilized the existing talent and migrated.
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Dude, have you seen how bad Tenn has struggled with their talent? Something needed to be done.
They had their own issues to deal with Cuttcliffe in, Cuttcliffe out for example.
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Miles is paid so much because of winning a national title
Which brings me to another point: what other coach can you say will COME to LSU and win a national title? Take your pick:
- Stoops
- Saban
- Carroll
- Brown
To say that "any coach" can do it and "any coach could have done better with this talent what Miles has done" or that "Miles does less with more talent" should see:
- Pete Carroll USC
- Mark Richt Georgia
- Steve Spurrier, USC East
- Charlie Weiss, Notre Dame
- Mack Brown, Texas
All of these coaches have down years and lose to inferior teams. Nothing to see here, we will be dominant again next year.
Posted on 12/10/08 at 1:45 pm to AlexLSU
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I will then be fully confident in him as a coach, no questions asked.
i seriously doubt that.
Posted on 12/10/08 at 1:46 pm to AlexLSU
He would get one more year. Plus, as your post points out, he has assembled great talent. I doubt that the team goes 7-5 again though.
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