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re: If 2-5 losses per year was good enough for Saban, why not Miles?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:26 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:26 am to TigerBait1127
Oh I agree. Was just pointing it out...
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:30 am to royalvin
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everything would be the same if saban was still at lsu and miles was at al!
I think there is probably an average of one additional game a year where a Saban coaching staff gets a win that a Miles coaching staff doesn't.
I agree it's not safe to assume that Saban wins the same number of titles here as he does at Alabama though. Alabama is one of the iconic college football programs no matter how much we might prefer them not to be. I suspect it benefits the SEC financially when Alabama does well, it's not just a geographic convenience.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:32 am to tigernation56
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wow all this miles clan members 1 post
I'm a Miles fan because I'm an LSU fan. I remember going to games as a kid (preschool/grammar school) with my dad when Curly was coach. We always stayed to the very end to root for the Tigers no matter how bad of a blow out it was. Thanks to all the fair weather fans we usually got to watch the second half as close to the field as we wanted to get.
Do I get frustrated sometimes? Absolutely! I broke my TV remote after that Tennessee game a few years ago. I didn't even find out we won until hours later. I'm still trying to figure out why Miles called a timeout at the end of the first half Saturday night, but with the plethora of young talent we have and the recruiting class we have(had) coming in I don't think it's the right time to kick him to the curb. Just MHO.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:32 am to Golfer
The run we had at the end of the 2001 season was shocking after the previous 12 years of being an LSU fan (I was too young to really understand what was happening much before 1989). I didn't think we had a chance against Tennessee. Saban was always good with rematches though. 
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 12:35 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:35 am to pt448
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2015 9-3 so far, currently ranked 23
I think he is 8-3, just sayin
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:36 am to BGSB
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I think he is 8-3, just sayin
Correct, math skills get fuzzy at this hour. Will edit.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:37 am to pt448
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I broke my TV remote after that Tennessee game a few years ago.
lmao
I would have done the same if the floor wasn't carpeted.
I turned the TV back on to watch something to take my mind off of it, and they were showing a replay of an LSU touchdown. I thought I was hallucinating.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:42 am to pt448
And just to clarify, I'm not saying we shouldn't have the goal of winning every game and playing for a championship every year. I think we definitely should. I've just noticed a long standing double standard and wonder why Saban and not MIles is on a pedestal for a lot of LSU fans. Saban did a great service for the LSU football program when he was here. We very easily could have gone right back down the tubes after Saban left, but we didn't.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:44 am to BayouBlogger
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I turned the TV back on to watch something to take my mind off of it, and they were showing a replay of an LSU touchdown. I thought I was hallucinating.
My wife and I went to Gretna fest than night and the Yat Pack asked the crowd if LSU won. Me and half the people said "no" the other half said "yes". I wondered what the hell game were they were watching.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 12:45 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:49 am to pt448
Simple answer: Saban won the West 2 out of 5 years while he was building talent. Miles has won the West 3 out of 11 years and he inherited sick talent for 2 of them. That means something.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:52 am to pt448
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And just to clarify, I'm not saying we shouldn't have the goal of winning every game and playing for a championship every year. I think we definitely should. I've just noticed a long standing double standard and wonder why Saban and not MIles is on a pedestal for a lot of LSU fans. Saban did a great service for the LSU football program when he was here. We very easily could have gone right back down the tubes after Saban left, but we didn't.
Post Sabans record at Alabama, and you will quickly realize that Les is not in the same hemisphere as Saban as far as coaching goes.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:57 am to Golfer
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With the same number of losses in the conference as Miles had this year
Since '05, only Alabama (twice: '08, '09), Florida ('09), and LSU ('11) have gone undefeated in SEC play.
In that same stretch, no team from the SEC West has won the division with 3 or more SEC losses. In fact, only South Carolina made it to the SEC title with 3 losses in '10.
In short? 2-3 loss SEC division champions are extremely rare, and LSU has had at least 2-3 SEC losses in every season since '11.
*ETA - This isn't necessarily to the poster I replied to, just felt like looking it up.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 12:58 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:59 am to pt448
It's not just about wins and losses with Miles and his teams. Miles has truly sucked the passion out of watching LSU football (operate on offense). It's about how we lose when we are on the big stage, and that has meant when we play Bama. Positive expectations--something to hope for-- that's what makes it fun to watch.
If you saw us only muster 182 total yards of offense this year against Bama, how optimistic are you that next year it will be different? We haven't scored more than 17 points against Bama since 2010. We've only had 1 game since then with more than 300 yards. The rest of the games have been clunkers, with as you know in the title game we mustered only 92 yards of total offense.
Yes you may say, many teams have struggled with Bama. But none have struggled as bad, and so embarrassingly as LSU under our coach's direction.
Do you really want to keep doing this over and over again?
If you can't beat Bama, fine. But it's the pitiful approach and Les's hunky-dory confidence that somehow his approach ain't broken, that will drive anyone with eyeballs mad. If you can't win the national championship every year, fine. Just put a better product on the field..
If you saw us only muster 182 total yards of offense this year against Bama, how optimistic are you that next year it will be different? We haven't scored more than 17 points against Bama since 2010. We've only had 1 game since then with more than 300 yards. The rest of the games have been clunkers, with as you know in the title game we mustered only 92 yards of total offense.
Yes you may say, many teams have struggled with Bama. But none have struggled as bad, and so embarrassingly as LSU under our coach's direction.
Do you really want to keep doing this over and over again?
If you can't beat Bama, fine. But it's the pitiful approach and Les's hunky-dory confidence that somehow his approach ain't broken, that will drive anyone with eyeballs mad. If you can't win the national championship every year, fine. Just put a better product on the field..
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:06 am to pt448
Saban 5 years = 2 SEC championships
1 BCSNC
CLM 11 years = 2 SEC Championships
1 BCSNC
1 SEC Championship.
Loss
1 BCSNC Loss to
Saban
1 BCSNC
CLM 11 years = 2 SEC Championships
1 BCSNC
1 SEC Championship.
Loss
1 BCSNC Loss to
Saban
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:12 am to BRtoATL
LINK
LINK
I think overall our 2014 team was not as good this year's team, but I thought our 2014 performance against bama was outstanding until our stifling defense did a 180 and let 'em back into the game
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We put up 259 yards with an offense that overall was not as good as this year's. I may be looking at it through purple and gold colored glasses, but I'm optimistic about next year.
LINK
I think overall our 2014 team was not as good this year's team, but I thought our 2014 performance against bama was outstanding until our stifling defense did a 180 and let 'em back into the game
. We put up 259 yards with an offense that overall was not as good as this year's. I may be looking at it through purple and gold colored glasses, but I'm optimistic about next year.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:15 am to pt448
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:17 am to TigerBait1127
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I mean if we want to play that game, Miles has a 2 loss national title...
The only team undefeated in regulation. Miles sold that to the voters and he won his case on and of the field.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 1:19 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:18 am to winston318
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Saban 5 years = 2 SEC championships
1 BCSNC
CLM 11 years = 2 SEC Championships
1 BCSNC
1 SEC Championship.
Loss
1 BCSNC Loss to
Saban
huh?
I think I see what you're trying to say, but you gotta remember the SEC West in 2000-2004 was no the same SEC West it is today. The competition top to bottom (not just bama) is much stiffer.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:19 am to pt448
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I thought our 2014 performance against bama was outstanding until our stifling defense did a 180 and let 'em back into the game
Yeah that was a heck of a game, I mean the passion was there. But this is the problem we keep having. We have had a top 20 defense in 9 out of 11 years. So that's how we compete. But, (and I'm going to make a post about this) the year we won the national championship, it was actually because of the offense. Offense was #12, defense was #20.
We need a little more from the offense to get over the hump, as we keep witnessing.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:24 am to pt448
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I think I see what you're trying to say, but you gotta remember the SEC West in 2000-2004 was no the same SEC West it is today. The competition top to bottom (not just bama) is much stiffer.
Why do you think that the SEC West is so tough now. We only have 3 teams ranked in the top 25 going into Championship week. The West has done that every year
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