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I hope I'm wrong but it appears Alleva/the Administration
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:49 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:49 am
has a hang up about money, years, and buyouts. It's why chavis was not matched. Therefore, we are handcuffed as to who we can get. They are setting Miles up to be fired and for him to fail.
At this point, i'd rather lsu clean house than purposely run the program into the ground the next year or two to justify the firing. The good days appear to be over and there isn't anything we can do about it but watch the admistration and coaching staff duke it out until one cries uncle.
I think the administration has the right idea as to limiting buyouts. I didn't like miles buy out. I wouldn't like it if it were saban either. However, they made that bed and I think they are trying to correct in the wrong way. Pay whatever coach you want top dollar, if they demand huge buyouts, sorry, we will find someone else who's happy with making top dollar.
Alleva/adminstration didn't protect the program initially with miles buyout. We are having to destroy it and rebuild. I don't agree with this. Give the man the tools to succeed. If he doesn't in one or two years, then fire him.
However, we are trying to save 400k to a million because of a 15 million error. Well, that isn't miles fault. That is the administrations. Therefore, they should go too. 400k to a million is going to look like chump change in a couple of years if we are losing. Do the math on drop of ticket sales, concessions, apperal, etc. To me, this is a bigger error than the 15 million buyout. Purposely not providing the tools to succeed so the man can be fired is a bigger finacial screw up than agreeing to the buy out in the first place.
Pay to get what he needs to succeed or clean house. my 2 cents.
At this point, i'd rather lsu clean house than purposely run the program into the ground the next year or two to justify the firing. The good days appear to be over and there isn't anything we can do about it but watch the admistration and coaching staff duke it out until one cries uncle.
I think the administration has the right idea as to limiting buyouts. I didn't like miles buy out. I wouldn't like it if it were saban either. However, they made that bed and I think they are trying to correct in the wrong way. Pay whatever coach you want top dollar, if they demand huge buyouts, sorry, we will find someone else who's happy with making top dollar.
Alleva/adminstration didn't protect the program initially with miles buyout. We are having to destroy it and rebuild. I don't agree with this. Give the man the tools to succeed. If he doesn't in one or two years, then fire him.
However, we are trying to save 400k to a million because of a 15 million error. Well, that isn't miles fault. That is the administrations. Therefore, they should go too. 400k to a million is going to look like chump change in a couple of years if we are losing. Do the math on drop of ticket sales, concessions, apperal, etc. To me, this is a bigger error than the 15 million buyout. Purposely not providing the tools to succeed so the man can be fired is a bigger finacial screw up than agreeing to the buy out in the first place.
Pay to get what he needs to succeed or clean house. my 2 cents.
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:52 am to dos crystal
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I hope I'm wrong but it appears Alleva/the Administration
has a hang up about money, years, and buyouts. It's why chavis was not matched. Therefore, we are handcuffed as to who we can get. They are setting Miles up to be fired and for him to fail.
Where did you get this information?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:54 am to TigerFred
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Where did you get this information?
Typical of this board where people make up scenarios and think the worst possible about every situation. There is NEVER a positive to people on this board.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:55 am to dos crystal
So, this is the deal:
(1) LSU has a complacent and ineffective CEO for a coach in Les Miles; and
(2) LSU has an ineffective and incompetent AD.
Most viable candidates see the writing on the wall for Les Miles (primarily) and perhaps even (Alleva).
Most LSU fans with any sense of reality and that lived through the 80s and 90s have an all too familiar feeling right now about Miles, in particular and the direction of the program.
I think we see a whole new staff, including head coach by the 2017 season.
My biggest concern is that Alleva will be left in charge to hire a new head coach. I think we have learned, at least had a glimpse, that LSU is not as desirable as we would like to believe it is as a collective fan base.
If Alleva is the guy to hire Miles' replacement, I think it is a very safe bet that we are on the cusp of repeating the 1990s all over again - moving from one coach to the next every three or four years.
(1) LSU has a complacent and ineffective CEO for a coach in Les Miles; and
(2) LSU has an ineffective and incompetent AD.
Most viable candidates see the writing on the wall for Les Miles (primarily) and perhaps even (Alleva).
Most LSU fans with any sense of reality and that lived through the 80s and 90s have an all too familiar feeling right now about Miles, in particular and the direction of the program.
I think we see a whole new staff, including head coach by the 2017 season.
My biggest concern is that Alleva will be left in charge to hire a new head coach. I think we have learned, at least had a glimpse, that LSU is not as desirable as we would like to believe it is as a collective fan base.
If Alleva is the guy to hire Miles' replacement, I think it is a very safe bet that we are on the cusp of repeating the 1990s all over again - moving from one coach to the next every three or four years.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:55 am to dos crystal
All of the assistant coaches contracts end in the next 2 years. They are planning an exit strategy to make it easy to part ways with Miles in 2 years if they want to. It's why we're probably going to end up promoting Brick and hiring another position coach.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:55 am to dos crystal
What are the defensive assistant's buyouts? What is Haley's? Anyone?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:56 am to dos crystal
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:57 am to dos crystal
It appears? Does your apparition wear garments, or did it come to you nakedly?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:57 am to dos crystal
didn't we JUST have the highest paid staff in the country?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 8:59 am to DeltaDoc
quote:
So, this is the deal:
(1) LSU has a complacent and ineffective CEO for a coach in Les Miles; and
(2) LSU has an ineffective and incompetent AD.
Most viable candidates see the writing on the wall for Les Miles (primarily) and perhaps even (Alleva).
Most LSU fans with any sense of reality and that lived through the 80s and 90s have an all too familiar feeling right now about Miles, in particular and the direction of the program.
I think we see a whole new staff, including head coach by the 2017 season.
My biggest concern is that Alleva will be left in charge to hire a new head coach. I think we have learned, at least had a glimpse, that LSU is not as desirable as we would like to believe it is as a collective fan base.
If Alleva is the guy to hire Miles' replacement, I think it is a very safe bet that we are on the cusp of repeating the 1990s all over again - moving from one coach to the next every three or four years.
this is how you melt, people
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 9:00 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:00 am to BeeFense5
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Typical of this board where people make up scenarios and think the worst possible about every situation. There is NEVER a positive to people on this board.
check out DeltaDoc's post. it's glorious
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:02 am to Choctaw
As the season turned out like it did, we paid too much! 
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:04 am to Choctaw
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check out DeltaDoc's post. it's glorious
I'm convinced these people WANT these scenarios.
Never seen anything like it.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:05 am to dos crystal
I don't think they are necessarily "setting him up to fail"....Buttt.
The big time money people are sick of the product...
They have given him money to pay his assistants top dollar and he is still hasn't produced a damn thing.
Miles leash is getting shorter and shorter..
The big time money people are sick of the product...
They have given him money to pay his assistants top dollar and he is still hasn't produced a damn thing.
Miles leash is getting shorter and shorter..
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:09 am to BeeFense5
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I'm convinced these people WANT these scenarios.
Right? it's ridiculous
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:10 am to dos crystal
quote:you're wrong
I hope I'm wrong
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:11 am to dos crystal
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It's why chavis was not matched.
Chavis was gone. The money would not have mattered.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:14 am to TigerFred
quote:
quote:I hope I'm wrong but it appears Alleva/the Administration has a hang up about money, years, and buyouts. It's why chavis was not matched. Therefore, we are handcuffed as to who we can get. They are setting Miles up to be fired and for him to fail. Where did you get this information?
Did they match chavis? nope. Would they give chavis four years? nope. what did they offer him? two years. Every assistant is contracted through two years. It's pretty clear what is being decided in TWO YEARS.
You really think that if lsu wanted Shoop or pendergast they would not have them? They could have paid 1.7 and four years to shoop, pendergast, chavis or whomever. They are not willing to do that. Therefore, they can't get them.
Why aren't they willing to do it? because they are looking at replacing the coaching staff in two years. Why was chavis contract tied to miles and if he left or was fired. Because that is what they are planning to do. They are looking to save money if they have to do it. They can't do it right now because his buyout is to large.
This is common sense. They have provided enough information for people to figure out what the administration is thinking. Just think about it, A&M just stole your d.c. because they paid more for longer time. That is fine. However, when you don't go out and pay top dollar to get his equal or better, there is a issue. It's money.
you think if they wanted clancy and O they couldn't have them? 400k for haley's buyout is chump change. He didn't want to give chavis 400k, he doesn't want to buy out haley for 400k.
Now, with that said, if they go out and get a top d.c. and pay top dollar. then I'm wrong. That's why I said I hope I'm wrong. However, at this point it looks to be about money and we will have to settle on a lesser candidate because the administration doesn't want to pay for top flight guy. why? they want to save the money to replace the coach in the future. Not because they don't have it.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:15 am to Jizzamo311
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The big time money people are sick of the product...
What did people expect this year? Good grief, going into the year everyone knew we would be young on offense. I'm not taking up for Jennings, but having true/redshirt freshman come in and light things up is the exception rather than the norm. Add to that we had extremely young receivers, you have a recipe for disaster.
Anyone with half a brain all knew our money years would be 2015/2016.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 9:17 am to dos crystal
So you have been in on discussions of the athletic department budget committee?
Your idea of attracting and keeping good coaches is what? One year contracts?
LSU tried the no buy out thing with Little Nicky. Practically each year he was here there was this "will he or won't he" dance about him jumping to the pros.
From all reports, Chavis jumped ship because his proposed contract wasn't guaranteed for long enough.
The good days appear to be over?
Ok You can just assume the fetal position, suck your thumb and whine. It suits you.
Your idea of attracting and keeping good coaches is what? One year contracts?
LSU tried the no buy out thing with Little Nicky. Practically each year he was here there was this "will he or won't he" dance about him jumping to the pros.
From all reports, Chavis jumped ship because his proposed contract wasn't guaranteed for long enough.
The good days appear to be over?
Ok You can just assume the fetal position, suck your thumb and whine. It suits you.
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