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Posted on 8/18/15 at 4:22 pm to TheCaterpillar
He could cover. I never said he was bad in coverage. Saying he was excellent is ridiculous though.
And he whiffed a ton on pump fakes/sharp cuts from wideouts and he always went for the big hit instead of the tackle. That works most of the time in college, but that doesn't make you a good tackler. It makes you an elite hitter.
Again, fantastic player for us. I would take Reid 10/10 times.
Lots and lots and lots of players that get more accolades every year over players that are better. People think Laron was some flawless demi-god because he assraped so many QBs on blind side blitzes.
Go watch the UT game with Meachem.
And he whiffed a ton on pump fakes/sharp cuts from wideouts and he always went for the big hit instead of the tackle. That works most of the time in college, but that doesn't make you a good tackler. It makes you an elite hitter.
Again, fantastic player for us. I would take Reid 10/10 times.
Lots and lots and lots of players that get more accolades every year over players that are better. People think Laron was some flawless demi-god because he assraped so many QBs on blind side blitzes.
Go watch the UT game with Meachem.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 4:23 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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There are no measurable statistics that say this.
it's not all about measurable statistics, especially when you're talking about 2 distinct eras and 2 very different defenses
also, laron played SS while reid was a very deep FS, so they're not even the same position
best stats to use to show this:
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Tackles for loss
Sacks
reid would never really have the opportunity for either, and laron was deployed in a role to get behind the LOS early and often
saban basically built the D around him after 2003 and bo p continued that
laron didn't have to deal with a talent drop like reid did in 2012, either. hell LL got to play on a title-winnning team (2003) and the most talented LSU team ever (2006). he also played in a different era of the SEC and CFB, when the SEC was not nearly the same sort of quality like it is now (less competition for awards)
Posted on 8/18/15 at 4:26 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Saying he was excellent is ridiculous though.
I said he was good and it wasn't considered a flaw. Not that he was elite. How only real flaw coming out was going for a knock out which most nfl coaches think they can coach out of you. We now know he had many flaws.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 4:27 pm to TheCaterpillar
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And he whiffed a ton on pump fakes/sharp cuts from wideouts
laron was an unbelievable athlete as long as he go to run in a straight line. he lacked hip fluidity and he couldn't turn in coverage
his straight line speed and power made him amazing for blitzing and attacking the run game, 2 things that safeties under chavis didn't get to do as much. reid was playing 20+ yards off the LOS and directing our secondary. and he did his job so well he wasn't thrown at like laron was (lowering his stats)
Posted on 8/18/15 at 4:30 pm to Powerman
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as Mathieu as a game changer. His soph year is essentially the most impressive season by any defensive player in the history of college football.
That may be a bit of a stretch.... But yes he was unreal in 2011.....
Posted on 8/18/15 at 4:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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hell LL got to play on a title-winnning team (2003) and the most talented LSU team ever (2006). he also played in a different era of the SEC an
What? They played 4 years apart. The only diff was bama was good when reid was playing and Auburn was good when LL was playing. 2005&2006 sec may be the deepest 2 year stretch the sec had during the sec title run.
Reid also played with far more talented secondary players. PP,TM7,Mo, Brandon taylor? Come on.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 4:33 pm to dukke v
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That may be a bit of a stretch.... But yes he was unreal in 2011.....
If you include age it is the most impressive.
There is a very short list of true sophomore or younger Bednarik award winners.
There is a very short list of true sophomore or younger sec spot award winners.
Both lists begin and end with one name.
Tyrann Mathieu.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 4:38 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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They played 4 years apart
4 years is a lot of difference. look at the offensive systems in 2006 and 2011. vast difference across the board
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2005&2006 sec may be the deepest 2 year stretch the sec had during the sec title run.
uh, 2011? the year where the SEC west had 1-2-3 for a lil while?
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Reid also played with far more talented secondary players
he improved the secondary by being the coach on the field. that's why he was playing free and LL was mainly SS
don't sleep on corey webster, travis daniels, chevis, etc. they were no slouches. LL also got to play with "Saban" talent on the DL. something reid got 1 year (2011)
LL also played under a much better DC who had a much better system for the DBs
Posted on 8/18/15 at 5:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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, 2011? the year where the SEC west had 1-2-3 for a lil while?
You're joking right? Outside of those 3 teams ( arky had no business as #3) the sec was down. 7 teams finished .500 or worse in conference 6 of those teams had losing conf . records.
At the end of the season lsu had played 2 sec teams that ended the season ranked.
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don't sleep on corey webster, travis daniels, chevis, etc. they were no slouches
Another you're kidding right?
Reid played with 2 Bednarik and Sec dpoy award winners( TM7 &pp) and 2 Thorpe award winners (MO and pp). That's not counting Tharold Simon,Ron Brooks,Brandon Taylor. The talent in Reid secondary laughs at Landry ' s secondary. The only player from Landry ' s secondary that would get playing time was Webster. Webster was a great college cb.
But hey I'm just glad I got to watch both play. You couldn't go wrong with either of them.
This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 8/18/15 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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reid was playing 20+ yards off the LOS and directing our secondary. and he did his job so well he wasn't thrown at like laron was (lowering his stats)
Our entire secondary was thrown at less when Reid was here.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 5:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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arky had no business as #3)
WTF???????? When talking JJ vs. LEE YOU use Arkie as a dominant team at #3... So which is it????????? You always talk about how LSU'S O got so much better after JJ started... So the offense got better by playing a crappy Ole Miss team and WKU PLUS Arkie????? Can't have it both ways dude...........
Posted on 8/18/15 at 5:32 pm to dukke v
I think it is hard to gauge him at this point. Even the best DB's look lost their freshman year. I remember Peterson drawing a penalty for tackling a Tight end instead of looking for the ball his freshman year. When you watch Jamal Adams in drills he looks more lively than the other Safeties, save Jefferson. I think Adams is going to prove to be really good in coverage. The good news is this will be the year to tell....For what its worth I think we have 3 really good ball skills safeties with 2 being outstanding run stoppers (Jefferson and Adams).
This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 8/18/15 at 5:58 pm to Powerman
NFTC DALLAS Adams Highlights
This video is what sold me on Adams in the first place. This particular one is just him, but if you see the extended video with other participants, he was clearly the best DB there.
Some other familiar faces in that video as well (Malachi is 390 and Ed P is wearing the LSU shorts).
The kid is just an elite player. When it is all said and done, I think he will be just as highly regarded as Fournette.
He is one of our top 3 players in Fournette, Beckwith and Adams.
This video is what sold me on Adams in the first place. This particular one is just him, but if you see the extended video with other participants, he was clearly the best DB there.
Some other familiar faces in that video as well (Malachi is 390 and Ed P is wearing the LSU shorts).
The kid is just an elite player. When it is all said and done, I think he will be just as highly regarded as Fournette.
He is one of our top 3 players in Fournette, Beckwith and Adams.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 6:00 pm to TheCaterpillar
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obviously RBs don't get drafted very highly anymore most of the time
Unless they are really special like Gordon and Gurley. I agree with your posts though.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 6:17 pm to Powerman
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How good is Adams in coverage?
Very.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 6:44 pm to The Mick
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Remains to be seen imo. Last year, zero picks and 5 pass breakups. In comparison, Ronald Martin 2 picks and 9 breakups.
Great analysis
Posted on 8/18/15 at 6:53 pm to UpToPar
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White is good, but most of his open field tackles are against wide receivers. Adams is making open field tackles against running backs that have 20 pounds on him.
Considering that on any given play, there are typically going to be more WR's on the field than any other position, so I would say it is the most important position to be able to tackle. Moreover, on plays in which there are few to zero receivers, the risk of there ever being an "open-field" tackle are relatively small.
And your argument that MLB's don't see many situations to make open-field tackles is just silly. It's fricking silly.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 7:41 pm to dukke v
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WTF???????? When talking JJ vs. LEE YOU use Arkie as a dominant team at #3.
I've never once said arky was a damn dominant team. I ONLY gave their ranking. At no point have Ive never said 2011 arky was dominant. All I ever said was we played higher ranked teams in November than any other month.
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Can't have it both ways dude...........
Except I'm not. Even though I don't think Arky was a legit #3 team doesn't mean they weren't the #3 team.
I've never said that JJ beat a great and dominant Arky. I've only said he had 52% of our entire offensive output against #3 arky. That's it. I've never said anything diff.
Posted on 8/18/15 at 9:12 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Another you're kidding right? Reid played with 2 Bednarik and Sec dpoy award winners( TM7 &pp) and 2 Thorpe award winners (MO and pp). That's not counting Tharold Simon,Ron Brooks,Brandon Taylor. The talent in Reid secondary laughs at Landry ' s secondary. The only player from Landry ' s secondary that would get playing time was Webster. Webster was a great college cb.
Travis Daniels was very good. He definitely would fit right in with those guys sans PP7 and TM7. Mo was way overrated. I said this when he was drafted. He was a legit first rounder, but not first half of the round.
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