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History of the Basketball program during The Pistol's days

Posted on 1/26/11 at 8:18 am
Posted by ChuckM
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 1/26/11 at 8:18 am
With the talk of who was better, CJ or The Pistol, and how great The Pistol was, I never actually got to see him play. Just missed his College career and vaguely remember his pro career.

Overall, how did the basketball program rank or perform during his days? It obviously wasnt the glory days of LSU Basketball, but with such a great player as The Pistol, how come? Was it competition, or the other players on the team? Was he forced to basically carry the entire team on his shoulders?

Just curious as a history buff, to hear from you guys who were there, who saw it. Why didnt we win a national championship?

Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
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Posted on 1/26/11 at 8:34 am to
Who has tried to say CJ was better than Pistol?
Posted by ChuckM
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2006
1645 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 8:41 am to
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27845 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 9:03 am to
quote:

Was he forced to basically carry the entire team on his shoulders?

bingo
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4057 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 9:07 am to
Here are the records:

1967-1968 Press Maravich 14-12 8-10
1968-1969 Press Maravich 13-13 7-11
1969-1970 Press Maravich 22-10 13-5 NIT Final Four

There really wasn't a lot of talent with him. The only decent team he had was his senior year. That 6eam would have made the NCAA today, but back then the tournament only invited 25 teams. Kentucky was the only SEC team to make the tournament all three years.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 1/26/11 at 9:16 am to
quote:

Who has tried to say CJ was better than Pistol?



this.


because whoever it is needs 1st- a lifetime ban and second I am not sure they should be allowed to breathe God's wonderful oxygen
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
20014 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 9:39 am to
quote:

Was he forced to basically carry the entire team on his shoulders?


That about sums it up.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 9:44 am to
it was definately the pistol pete show. the nit was about as high as we aspired. saying that, it was still about as entertaining as it gets. pistol pete was amazing to say the least. i remember camping out the nite before the ole miss game to get in to see the pistol break oscar robinson's all time college scoring record. it was unbelievable! we played in the old "cow palace".
Posted by crawfishcharlie
Crawfishtown, USA
Member since Dec 2003
4862 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 10:03 am to
I was in school at that time and Pete was a friend. Best overall athlete I ever saw. His ball handling skill were awesome!

Great guy. He liked to party, but his dad really had a tight grip on him.

ps..CJ could probably hold his jock strap..that's about it.
Posted by ChuckM
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2006
1645 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 10:22 am to
What a shame that he didn't have a great supporting cast. I could only imagine how great it would have been to have a team that would have made final fours or championship games 3 years in a row.

I remember as a kid the fun surrounding LSU Basketball in the early 80's. Shooting hoops in the driveway calling out Hi-C Carter "what a shot, all the way from the parking lot". If The Pistol could only have waited a few years to arrive.


Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/26/11 at 10:45 am to
quote:

Was he forced to basically carry the entire team on his shoulders?


And as evidence, he was at the top or near the top of rebounding every year. When your point guard is doing that much rebounding you don't have much of a front line.
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 10:49 am to
First, you have to put things in proper perspective. In those days only the conference champions were invited to the NC2a tourney each year. Usually the 2nd place teams were all invited to the NIT so it was a much bigger deal than it is now. Had the 64 team field, the additional games against patsies, the SEC tourney, etc. existed at that time, then Maravich probably would have played in two or three NC2a tournies because he was all that nationally. When he lead LSU into the NIT tourney(all games played in NY back then) it was a huge publicity deal for LSU. SI covered Maravich and the team's trip to NYC. With today's media Pete might have been given his on realtiy show. As for as winning a national championship, first you had to win your conference and Kentucky with the Baron, Adolph Rupp leading the way had it on lockdown back then.
Pete lit up Rupps teams twice a year for three straight years but he was sorely lacking in supporting cast. The Tigers were 0-6 against the Cats during that span. The AVERAGE score of the six games was 112-96. Pete averaged 52 ppg against them, including 64 in the 1970 BR game that LSU lost 121-105. Kentucky HOF Dan Issel hit for 51 in that game and it still stands as the most points by foes in a single collegiste game. Anyway, that may help some see those Tigers in the proper context. They were without question one of the top 40 teams in America during all three of Maravich's seasons, even though he was the only guy on the team who could have cracked Kentucky's lineup. Greatest collegiate player ever? Yes, IMO he was but he was so much more than that. He transcended the sport, creating a whole new generation of court kids, black and white, who wanted to emulate his fantastic skills.
Posted by Rockerbraves
Greatest Nation on Earth
Member since Feb 2007
8015 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 10:50 am to
quote:

the nit was about as high as we aspired
Back then the NIT was big time
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68320 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 10:50 am to
Pistol has the ncaa scoring record before there was a 3 pt line. I remember them comparing pete's ncaa record with reddicks acc record and pete still blew his out the water, without a 3 pt line.

He was one of the best college players ever.

This post was edited on 1/26/11 at 10:53 am
Posted by jcb236
Cut Off, LA
Member since Feb 2010
545 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 12:30 pm to
Not to ridicule or criticize other great players, but at the age of 63 I would have to say that Pete M was the best basketball player I EVER saw. The only one with comparable skills to me was Jordan as a Chcago Bull. Every time his name comes up a few people will disparage his ability; however, before there were great handling skills, he was dribbling between his legs and behind his back, making backhand passes that usually hit the plyaers in the head because they never saw that before, and shooting shots from ANYWHERE like they were laser guided. Watching him pass a ball was every bit as exciting as watching him shoot and dribble. The fans, and the opposing fans, were usually in awe. Everybody played for three years and freshmen were a separate entity. When he was a freshman, people would pack the cow palace and then leave after the freshmen game. He had little if any team support. I can not even think of one name for any of his team mates. Imagine that you would be watching a game with one high school star playing against ten year olds. That was his skill set. I do believe that when he graduated, he was offered a spot with the Harlem Globetrooters. In 1960s America, that was unheard of.

In later life he came to Jesus, and he literally became a different person. About twenty plus years ago, a G rated movie was made about his early life. Every father ought to sit with his ten year old son and daughter and watch that movie. Good for basketball and good for feeling happy about life. I remember his father, Press, as somewhat of a jerk.
Posted by aroussel3Tigers
Member since Mar 2009
4905 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

Pistol has the ncaa scoring record before there was a 3 pt line. I remember them comparing pete's ncaa record with reddicks acc record and pete still blew his out the water, without a 3 pt line.

I wish they could computer generate a 3 pt line in all of the old game clips and see what The Pistol would have had by the end of his career with a 3 point line.
Posted by LSUROCKS52
Rest in Peace
Member since Oct 2003
56 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 12:47 pm to
dale brown did this. he charted all the shots and implemented the standard 3 point line and calculated pete would have avg. 57 per game with a 3 point line. im sure there were a couple that would have been just inside the line that he'd have pulled back for a 3 so it's safe to say 60+
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24730 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

I wish they could computer generate a 3 pt line in all of the old game clips and see what The Pistol would have had by the end of his career with a 3 point line.


Dale Brown actually did this by looking at the game shot charts. I think he claims that Pete would have averaged 13 pts/gm more. There is now way to know from the charts if some of the shots were from 19 or 20 feet. That to me seems a little high, but Dale was probably giving Pete the benefit of the doubt on the marginal shots.
Posted by LSUROCKS52
Rest in Peace
Member since Oct 2003
56 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 12:49 pm to
im sure you could take a picture of a shot chart and get a 3-pt line added to it via computer for accuracy
Posted by bobbyleewilliams
Tigertown
Member since Feb 2010
8265 posts
Posted on 1/26/11 at 12:55 pm to
I will never forget the no-look passes that would
catch one of his teammates off guard...he was
unbelievable to watch!
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