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Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:49 pm to tlsu15
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I absolutely agree with this, but he was still able to win at Ole Miss where Orgeron failed the whole time.
He was able to win because of the recruits O brought in, once those guys were leaving, he failed just as badly.
Now I'm not saying O definitely would have improved a lot given a 4th season, but I will say consider Coach O sold out to get Brent Schaeffer for QB as he was a 5-star all world JUCO QB. He took Schaeffer away from Florida and Auburn which was considered huge for Ole Miss at the time. Schaeffer turned out to be a complete disaster in 2006 not able to produce any offense through the air or on the ground.
Coach O went out and got Jevan Snead from UTexas on the transfer market that offseason but he had to sit out in 2007. So O had to play Schaeffer and some nobody that year and that's when he lost his job. Nutt comes in, Jevan Snead is eligible, has a great season in 2008 and Ole Miss wins 9 games. O left Nutt Snead, Dexter McCluster and Brandon Bolden. 2 of the 3 never got to play under O and McCluster was just a freshman his last season IIRC. He also left Nutt Shay Hodge and Mike Wallace. The talent Coach O assembled when he was at Ole Miss is pretty impressive.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:50 pm to Chicken
Did Dabo go 0-8 in conference play at a P5 conference school?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:57 pm to thunderbird1100
I get what you are saying but that leaves a lot of what ifs on the table. The real identifier of a good coach is if he can get the team trending upward by his third year IMO. That's enough time to change the roster and culture of a football program. Ed had his three years and changed nothing. It only took Saban and Harbaugh two to get their programs back to being elite - so we'll have to revisit this in a couple of years.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:57 pm to Chicken
But did Dabo have a past failure as a head coach?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:59 pm to Chicken
No it's not. One has a history on a very similar stage of failing in an historically bad fashion, while the other was a complete unknown.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:01 pm to Chicken
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Both were non-coordinators
Actually Dabo took over as OC when he got the interim job.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:04 pm to Chicken
Does this mean we now have to storm the field after every win while Coach O says something really douchey to the sideline reporter doing the post-game interview?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:04 pm to tlsu15
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I get what you are saying but that leaves a lot of what ifs on the table. The real identifier of a good coach is if he can get the team trending upward by his third year IMO. That's enough time to change the roster and culture of a football program. Ed had his three years and changed nothing. It only took Saban and Harbaugh two to get their programs back to being elite - so we'll have to revisit this in a couple of years.
Generally speaking I agree, but O really needed that 4th season, because he thought he had his QB in Brent Schaeffer and that just failed, his next QB, Jevan Snead, turned out pretty well for Nutt but wasn't ever eligible under O. Especially all the other players I mentioned like Bolden, McCluster, Hodge and Wallace that O left for Nutt. Hard to fail with a roster like that.
We can hope O has indeed learned from his mistakes.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:08 pm to Chicken
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Both were non-coordinators, great recruiters, players love them, named interim coach in middle of season, immediately fired the OC, introduced new traditions, named full time coach right after end of regular season...sorry if this has been mentioned already.
so it might be a great hire
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:28 pm to Chicken
Hiring process has similar feel to it...but, sadly for all who bleed purple and gold it ends right there. We likely don't have a Dabo as HC.. Big leap to think otherwise right now. Time will tell.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:31 pm to Chicken
Whoever is in charge of the Pensky file, make sure you get Chicken under the Positiger tab.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:56 pm to Chicken
and we both play in death valley
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:57 pm to Chicken
So history of Dabo as "head coach" was as interim with 6 games. That's a small sample.
Compare that to coach O who was full head coach over 3 seasons, 10-25.
Seems like a very big difference and a stretch to say they're the same.
Compare that to coach O who was full head coach over 3 seasons, 10-25.
Seems like a very big difference and a stretch to say they're the same.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:59 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Seems like a very big difference and a stretch to say they're the same.
Was O the interim coach at Ole Piss?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:04 pm to Topwater Trout
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Was O the interim coach at Ole Piss?
No.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:13 pm to tiggerthetooth
good back to the positive vibes chicken is pumping out
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:34 pm to tiggerthetooth
Let the butt hurt flow through you...
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:43 pm to Chicken
sure, except Dabo didn't already have a 3-year stint as a head coach where he went 3-21 in conference. If he did, you really think Clemson would've hired him as their HC?
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:18 pm to Chicken
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sorry if this has been mentioned already.
And I thought you were omnipresent...
Sad day
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