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re: He's opening up the playbook
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:45 am to ATL-TIGER-732
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:45 am to ATL-TIGER-732
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“People think we’re expanding our playbook,” Moore said, “but Danny is just doing a better job of finding open guys.”
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It shows that the coaches have a lot of trust in Danny and a lot of trust in the receivers that we’re actually going to throw that much," LSU receiver Travin Dural said
This kind of makes me wonder if there was a divide in the team and some guys wanted Etling to start. These quotes kind of read as Moore and Dural feel like Harris was holding them back.
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:45 am to bayou85
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could have fooled me. He has been coaching since 1986. What QBs of his are so great not named Rivers or Flacco (if you consider flacco great)
Trent green
Elvis Grbac
Antwan randle el
Drew brees.
But yeah just rivers and flacco.
Educate yourself.
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Starter or not Brandon has been in this system for 3 years and shouldn't be regressing.
He isnt regressing. He just isnt getting better
You clearly dont know shite about Cam Cameron and are just regurgitating bullshite you saw other football ignorant posters post.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:50 am to earl keese
sure, the fumbles aren't on Lester. But taking the foot off the gas and throwing it only 10 total times in the second half sure didn't help. We've seen it all too many times; Les playing to keep a lead instead of come out aggressive in the second half.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:53 am to lolamontez
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Question is why the hell hasn't this guy been starting all along.
Ineligible last year. Tweaked back before Opener. Harris stunk it up for two series in game two and hasn't seen the field since. If the back thing is true, not sure how much better Les could have handled it.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:58 am to cas4t
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sure, the fumbles aren't on Lester. But taking the foot off the gas and throwing it only 10 total times in the second half sure didn't help. We've seen it all too many times; Les playing to keep a lead instead of come out aggressive in the second half.
We ran for over 7 ypc in the 2nd half. In a game we were controlling. I dont understand why people are so enthralled with throwing the ball for no reason. We threw the bal 32 times in a game we dominated for 55 minutes
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Les playing to keep a lead instead of come out aggressive in the second half.
We were throwing out of our own endzone. We did not take our foot off the gas.2 fumbles and a holding penalty caused our lack of scoring. The only playcalling that merits criticism is the reverse at the end of the game.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:58 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Antwan randle el
had 1 good college season. NFL receiver.
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Trent Green
Not a great QB. Cam had him in 07 past Trent's "prime"
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Elvis Grbac
No.
I'll give you Brees. He's the man.
Ill take back BH regression but he cannot step into a throw. He hasnt learned that the mental aspect of QB is just as important as the physical. At least he hasnt shown he has. You'd think the "QB Guru" would coach him up.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:00 pm to cas4t
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sure, the fumbles aren't on Lester. But taking the foot off the gas and throwing it only 10 total times in the second half sure didn't help. We've seen it all too many times; Les playing to keep a lead instead of come out aggressive in the second half
Bruh, we ran half the plays in the 2nd half as we did in the first (because of fumbles, driving killing penalties and bad calls). We could have thrown it on every down and not thrown it as much as we did in the first. From a percentage stand point the run pass ratio was about the same in both halfs. Jesus, why is it so hard for some of you to understand that?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:03 pm to bayou85
You dont know shite about football if you deny Cam Cameron's qb coaching.
You mean like etling and mett?
There is maybe 4-5 qb coaches on the planet with better resume than Cam's.
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You'd think the "QB Guru" would coach him up.
You mean like etling and mett?
There is maybe 4-5 qb coaches on the planet with better resume than Cam's.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I agree with this and several of the other posts who are reasonable about our QB situation...the fire Miles contingent are never going to happy with the team because it's more about Miles' fault than what is really going on.
Miles has won 80% of his games here by doing what he thought was best for the team with the personnel he had...when we have had solid QB play, they threw more, when they didn't we threw less...not a sign of incompetence...just playing to win.
Earlier a poster mentioned they thought they were calling more RB check-downs with Etling than with Harris...this totally demonstrates this boards anti-miles bias....most pass plays have a check down as one of the options on the play...we just now have a QB who knows where to go with the ball vs one who stares down one receiver, scrambled backwards and then gets sacked...
I get frustrated with this program and sometimes I wish we would get Miles out as well, but then I look at Miami, Nebraska, Texas and think we could easily fall into that soul crushing crappiness for 10 years...is it worth the risk?
Miles has won 80% of his games here by doing what he thought was best for the team with the personnel he had...when we have had solid QB play, they threw more, when they didn't we threw less...not a sign of incompetence...just playing to win.
Earlier a poster mentioned they thought they were calling more RB check-downs with Etling than with Harris...this totally demonstrates this boards anti-miles bias....most pass plays have a check down as one of the options on the play...we just now have a QB who knows where to go with the ball vs one who stares down one receiver, scrambled backwards and then gets sacked...
I get frustrated with this program and sometimes I wish we would get Miles out as well, but then I look at Miami, Nebraska, Texas and think we could easily fall into that soul crushing crappiness for 10 years...is it worth the risk?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:12 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Etling has played 2 games at LSU. He was praised before he got here.
Mett's transformation from 12 to 13 was great. I loved that Offense. But i feel Cam is past his prime. I've heard Bh is a smart kid and both he and Jennings were praised coming out of hs. But Why couldnt he make them at least average with his qb knowledge.
Our qb situation is a joke right now in the sec. if cam is so great, why is that? he recruits too, no?
Mett's transformation from 12 to 13 was great. I loved that Offense. But i feel Cam is past his prime. I've heard Bh is a smart kid and both he and Jennings were praised coming out of hs. But Why couldnt he make them at least average with his qb knowledge.
Our qb situation is a joke right now in the sec. if cam is so great, why is that? he recruits too, no?
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:15 pm to Fishhead
This!! Trust is also a factor.. Miles
Saying etling dominates the workouts is about his work ethic more than anything imo. Harris is so talented physically. Without the pressure of a game I can see why he would be hard to top in practice. Also keep in mind that etling only had one spring and one fall camp coming into this years camps. Most qbs that are pretty good but inexperienced and or new to a team don't start putting it all together Untill they finish up their 2nd fall camp. So it's not impossible to believe that once fall arrived Danny started looking much better
Saying etling dominates the workouts is about his work ethic more than anything imo. Harris is so talented physically. Without the pressure of a game I can see why he would be hard to top in practice. Also keep in mind that etling only had one spring and one fall camp coming into this years camps. Most qbs that are pretty good but inexperienced and or new to a team don't start putting it all together Untill they finish up their 2nd fall camp. So it's not impossible to believe that once fall arrived Danny started looking much better
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Also, I'm not arguing that he wasn't a good qb coach. I dont really care honestly. He isn't know. or he isn't in an place where he can be good.
I'm saying he isnt getting it done with our players recruited from hs.
I'm saying he isnt getting it done with our players recruited from hs.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:22 pm to dgnx6
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The crowd and the AD forced Miles to recruit and play Etling?
you dont think so? If he didnt make a change and we would have lost to Jacksonville St. Miles would have been run out of town... He likes his job, you have to put a shite ton of pressure on him to get anything done on game days. Face it, he was feeling serious heat after Wisconsin, and he aint out of the woodwork yet.. He better win the SEC and go to the playoffs or his arse should be done. He has everything.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:27 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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This kind of makes me wonder if there was a divide in the team and some guys wanted Etling to start. These quotes kind of read as Moore and Dural feel like Harris was holding them back.
totally agree.. I remember chatting with a former LSU QB who was in this same predicament.. Said the locker room was divided then..
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:32 pm to bayou85
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Etling has played 2 games at LSU. He was praised before he got here.
Mett's transformation from 12 to 13 was great. I loved that Offense. But i feel Cam is past his prime. I've heard Bh is a smart kid and both he and Jennings were praised coming out of hs. But Why couldnt he make them at least average with his qb knowledge.
Our qb situation is a joke right now in the sec. if cam is so great, why is that? he recruits too, no?
Etling was a 3/4 star pro-style QB out of HS with a handful of offers (likely because everyone knew he was going to Purdue). He was ranked around 17-20ish, below Anthony Jennings.
Do yourself a favor. Look at Etlings stats while at Purdue. They aren't pretty. Obviously it's still really early, but I don't see how you can ignore the possibility that Cam is helping him improve.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:33 pm to bayou85
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Etling has played 2 games at LSU. He was praised before he got here.
What.
He threw 10 tds -7 ints his 1st year at Purdue while playing in the shite division of the big 10 and those 10 tds were helped by a 4 td game against Indiana in the last game of the year.
He threw 6tds- 5ints in his last year at purdue.
If etling was praised before he got here then Jennings and harris should be praised.
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I've heard Bh is a smart kid and both he and Jennings were praised coming out of hs.
So was Russell Sheppard. There are numerous qbs that are praised in hs.
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But Why couldnt he make them at least average with his qb knowledge.
Harris was the epitome of avergae last year. He had numbers one par with Dobbs.
Jennings and Harris were true sophomores.
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Our qb situation is a joke right now in the sec. if cam is so great, why is that? he recruits too, no?
Myle brennan?
He has been here 3 years. His 1st year he turned a 12tds-7int qb into one of the most productive qbs in lsu history.
His 2nd and 3rd years were with basically redshirt freshman.
You act like he has been here 5 or 6 years.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:34 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Do yourself a favor. Look at Etlings stats while at Purdue. They aren't pretty. Obviously it's still really early, but I don't see how you can ignore the possibility that Cam is helping him improve.
Exaclty. His purdue stats are as bad or worse than Harris and Jennings and he was playing in the shite division of the big 10.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:36 pm to bayou85
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Also, I'm not arguing that he wasn't a good qb coach. I dont really care honestly. He isn't know. or he isn't in an place where he can be good.
I'm saying he isnt getting it done with our players recruited from hs.
Please show me the qb coach that has turned every qb into a good qb.
Again, there are maybe 4-5 qb coaches on the planet that have a better resume than Cam Cameron.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Harris was the epitome of avergae last year. He had numbers one par with Dobbs.
yes and what about this year? He couldnt mount drives against JSU. That is regression. so thanks for making my point from earlier.
Im excited about Brennan. He should be good. but BH and AJ were the only two qbs that he has had the whole time he has been here. They were failures when i came to growing at the position. I Know every qb isnt going to be elite even with your precious Cam here. But is it too much for you to admit that his tenure has been by far underwhelming given his recruits and his resume?
Do you know Cam personally? IS THIS CAM?!?!
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:44 pm to semperfitolsu
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Or stop recruiting dual threat qb's when the offense is more suitable to pro style qb's
What you mean is stop recruiting black QBs, because it is quite obvious that our fan base equates black with dual threat and white with pro-style.
I don't mean that in a bad way, but hopefully you understand that the majority of QBs recruited under Miles to play QB have been pro-style guys, including Jefferson and Jennings.
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