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Harris vs Jennings and the LSU Playbook: I understand now.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:06 pm
I just Googled college football playbooks just to see what the hell all the fuss was about. Now I understand. The playbook consists of page after page of plays, diagrams, notes, etc about 3 inches thick. For every passing play there are innumerable wide receiver patterns x 5. I'd have trouble learning that well enough as a QB in one year to drop back and feel confident about going through progressions. That is why Jennings locks onto his primary receiver. He simply does not have the mental capacity to remember it all. He has tried but cannot go beyond immediately knowing where his primary receiver is. Harris is just as struck by the complexity of it all. Harris has more raw talent, though, than Jennings. I say let him wing it and pare down the passing playbook so he can embrace it. Maybe they tried that against Auburn but Harris still couldn't remember what he needed to. So there may be some merit in "maybe next year", but things do not look good for Jennings if in 23 games he still can only complete 8 passes a game...give him 11 for the drops vs Alabama.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 3:20 pm
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:09 pm to dguidry
K.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:09 pm to dguidry
Honestly, one of the biggest factors was the running game. The LSU qb has to be able to see the defensive alignment and check to the correct running play. To make this very basic, as it's way more detailed than this, but if the qb gets to the line and sees 5 defenders to the left of the center, and 4 defenders to the right of the center, the play needs to be checked to run to the right. (Remember, I said it's much more detailed than that, but we get the picture with the above description). At Auburn, Harris kept running the play into the defense. We didn't have much chance of success by running into spots where we were outnumbered.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:10 pm to dguidry
Jennings knows the playbook. He has the mental capacity wtf. It's that he loses his fundamentals in games.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:11 pm to dguidry
Are you joking?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:50 pm to dguidry
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I say let him wing it and pair down the passing playbook
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:20 pm to Penrod
I say pair you say pare.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:37 pm to Penrod
Nice. A pair of pears. Most interesting part of this thread.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:38 pm to Choupique19
I think checking at that point is a bad move because that gives the defense more time to realize they only have 9 players on the field. I think when you only see 8 defenders, you hike it fast.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:42 pm to dguidry
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He simply does not have the mental capacity to remember it all
Good Lord. Some of you people act like these kids are some kind of functional retards. Give this shite a break. I guess Winston and Nick Marshall are fricking Rhodes Scholars or something.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:46 pm to MadMaxwell
I think the coaches are only giving them half field reads and that's why they don't go through the full progressions. Actually, I don't know of any college QB's right now that have whole field reads on pass plays. Andrew Luck may have been the last I can remember, as far as college.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:48 pm to Tigers'Mojo
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I think checking at that point is a bad move because that gives the defense more time to realize they only have 9 players on the field. I think when you only see 8 defenders, you hike it fast.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:52 pm to sjmabry
Maybe coach can educate me. If I were a QB coach my QB's would be told to drop back and focus on the center of the field the whole time, then only turn the head to view primary receiver at last moment (I know, I know there are variations of this). This seems elemental but it ain't happening. It seems Jenning's urge to stare down his primary is so strong that he abandons all strategy.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:53 pm to rmnldr
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Jennings knows the playbook. He has the mental capacity wtf. It's that he loses his fundamentals in games.
It is his decision making in game situations. He even mentioned that in his own critique after the game.
That would explain throwing a 30 yd rainbow to the back corner of the EZ on 4th and 10 and the game on the line when there was 20 yds of open turf in front of him ...
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:16 pm to dguidry
Football is not organic chemistry. How come other freshmen or redshirt freshmen know the playbook? If our quarterbacks cannot handle the playbook, particularly Jennings who has been around for two years then we made bad evaluations. Counting players to determine the strength of the defense can be done by a ten year old. In most cases, passing plays involve the quarterback reading only one half of the field.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:20 pm to dguidry
quote:This is an excellent post, but there are average and better coaches all over this country who simplify playbooks bc it's necessary. Our coaches should be able to do the same. There is no good future in AJ as qb, so all this time invested in him is futile.
I just Googled college football playbooks just to see what the hell all the fuss was about. Now I understand. The playbook consists of page after page of plays, diagrams, notes, etc about 3 inches thick. For every passing play there are innumerable wide receiver patterns x 5. I'd have trouble learning that well enough as a QB in one year to drop back and feel confident about going through progressions. That is why Jennings locks onto his primary receiver. He simply does not have the mental capacity to remember it all. He has tried but cannot go beyond immediately knowing where his primary receiver is. Harris is just as struck by the complexity of it all. Harris has more raw talent, though, than Jennings. I say let him wing it and pare down the passing playbook so he can embrace it. Maybe they tried that against Auburn but Harris still couldn't remember what he needed to. So there may be some merit in "maybe next year", but things do not look good for Jennings if in 23 games he still can only complete 8 passes a game...give him 11 for the drops vs Alabama.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:13 pm to arcalades
It astounds me how little some people know about actual football, but they just rant about how wrong things are when they can't even see the real problem.
Good post OP. Talked about this earlier in a different thread about playbooks. Actual offensive playbooks are massive. Now it's not all required by the QB. Although the QB has the most. I guarantee you that CCC's full playbook is extensive and over both AJ and BH's heads. Which is fine for now. BH is a true freshman and AJ has only been there for a year and a half. It takes time to develop a QB. Especially in a complex NFL scheme. Improvements by both QBs have been made this year.
The coaching staff has altered the playbook to allow for simple routes such as outs, curls, flats, go, and drags. These simple routes are easy for a QB to make and typically allow for him to see the defender easier. The staff is avoiding the middle of the field with posts, slants, sticks, and ins. These are throws that require reading defenses and picking apart coverages.
These two quarterbacks are just getting their feet wet and the improvement has been constant.
Good post OP. Talked about this earlier in a different thread about playbooks. Actual offensive playbooks are massive. Now it's not all required by the QB. Although the QB has the most. I guarantee you that CCC's full playbook is extensive and over both AJ and BH's heads. Which is fine for now. BH is a true freshman and AJ has only been there for a year and a half. It takes time to develop a QB. Especially in a complex NFL scheme. Improvements by both QBs have been made this year.
The coaching staff has altered the playbook to allow for simple routes such as outs, curls, flats, go, and drags. These simple routes are easy for a QB to make and typically allow for him to see the defender easier. The staff is avoiding the middle of the field with posts, slants, sticks, and ins. These are throws that require reading defenses and picking apart coverages.
These two quarterbacks are just getting their feet wet and the improvement has been constant.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:34 pm to dguidry
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For every passing play there are innumerable wide receiver patterns x 5. I'd have trouble learning that well enough as a QB in one year to drop back and feel confident about going through progressions
as tigerbait1127 explained in another thread, we run a 'pro style' offense which has a very complex wr route tree and very complicated QB reads that require more than just a couple of years to learn. We can't expect our passing game to be functional unless we have talent and experience in it like we had last year. When we get another year with NFL level talent upperclassmen at all the skill positions we can expect better results from our passing game.
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