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re: Guice versus Williams

Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:26 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:26 am to
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But the point stands.


how? he didnt even have more carries, much less twice as many
Posted by dboyback
baton rouge
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:29 am to
You will see both of them on sunday after they finish their business at LSU.
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:31 am to
So the true freshman who is a much more dynamic runner had almost as many carries as Williams, and if you fact in other touches (catches, returns) had more overall.

I like Williams too but it's pretty apparent Guice is better. Williams will still see looks this year but he's going to be the 3rd running back by a pretty far margin.
Posted by Guava Jelly
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Member since Jul 2009
11651 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:33 am to
I was originally thinking rushing yards rather than total carries, my mistake.

Regardless, I don't know that 9 carries constitutes a significant difference.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278085 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:36 am to
I think Guice has more carries too.

Miles is loyal to Williams though. He's a future NFL back. He'll get his.
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
14928 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:36 am to
Yeah lets please put this Welter crap to rest already. He played because Beckwith was not mentally ready and we had no one else to man the middle and make the calls, end of story.

I love Williams as a runner but I love Guice more and I am pretty sure Miles does as well. Guice will get more carries, that is just how football works you play the better guy.
Posted by LSUGoo
Member since Jul 2009
2151 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:42 am to
Its likely Guice will get more touches; both passes and runs. However, my concern is predictable packages. When Williams is in the game, it can't appear obvious he is getting the ball between the tackles or when Guice is in, we are throwing flare and screen passes...How many of us can anticipate our plays based on who is in the game? If we can do it, those paid to pick up on tendencies have it too easy
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162189 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:43 am to
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I think Guice has more carries too.

Miles is loyal to Williams though. He's a future NFL back. He'll get his.


I could see Williams being the short yardage specialist and "the closer" if we have a solid lead in the 4th and we're just looking to pound it out.

Could also see him getting some runs at the FB position to get him on the field.

It's obviously going to be the Fournette show with Guice being the change of pace back.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278085 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:43 am to
Guice is awesome between the tackles too


Williams will likely get short yardage stuff and other occasional carries between the 20's.


but there is no predictability with Guice or Fournette
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:49 am to
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 10:45 pm
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:49 am to
Fournette is your money man.

Guice is your change of pace guy who I wouldn't be surprised is lined up in the slot from time to time. Guice and Fournette in the same formation could be dangerous.

Williams is your late game finisher. When defenses have been chasing the other 2 around all game Williams comes in and ground and pounds them in the 4th quarter like Hilliard in 2014.

The key to this team is to have the lead going into the 4th quarter. If they do that they have the defense and running game to close it out.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43785 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:53 am to
Williams reminds me so much of Kenny Hilliard it's not even funny. They're the exact same size, down to the pound, and are both bruisers with surprisingly light feet.

That said, Guice will have 1000 yards from scrimmage next year.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 8:54 am
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46614 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:55 am to
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Guice got twice as many carries as Williams last season, even becoming the go-to back when LF was nicked or resting (remember South Carolina?). Why would you expect anything different this season?


No he didnt. Williams has slightly nore carries.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46614 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:56 am to
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Twice as many is a pretty clear exaggeration. But the point stands


What? Williams had more carries than Guice. How does your point stand?
Posted by Cannon
Shreveport
Member since May 2015
1612 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:56 am to
Williams will/should be used in short yardage situations only. Completely different back than Guice. For one thing, I don't recall Williams ever having a run longer than 4-5 yds.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46614 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:59 am to
quote:

I like Williams too but it's pretty apparent Guice is better. Williams will still see looks this year but he's going to be the 3rd running back by a pretty far margin.


Yeah i also think Fournette and Guice are harder to bring down than Williams.
Watching all 3 i think Guice and LF run lower and behind their pads more than williams. IMO williams will be a nfl back with a lot of tread left on the tires.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24535 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 9:01 am to
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Miles always shows loyalty to upper classmen


Yep, ALWAYS !!! That's why Anthony Jennings was the starting QB all year last year and Brandon Harris rode the pine.
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
14928 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 9:05 am to
Okay I say screw it. Lets go with the 3 back set! Williams at the FB spot and Fournette and Guice spread behind. Let the defense sleep on that one!
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 9:08 am to
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Okay I say screw it. Lets go with the 3 back set! Williams at the FB spot and Fournette and Guice spread behind. Let the defense sleep on that one!


Wing T baby. Williams fullback, Fournette Tailback, Guice Wingback. O line is all about technique and can beat the bigger d lines with head placement and quick feet.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46614 posts
Posted on 7/20/16 at 9:09 am to
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For one thing, I don't recall Williams ever having a run longer than 4-5 yds.

Career long 40 yards vs eastern michigan in 2015. 2014 long was 20.
He isnt a too the house back for sure.
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