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CourseyCorridor
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective

For the record, I like the bats and don't think baseball at the Box is boring, but plays fair to both the hitter and pitcher.

But TD Ameritrade, I think, was built to compensate for bats that are no longer in use.

They should definitely move the fences in there. There was a time hitters were able to get cheap home runs that gave a false sense of what their real power is. I think now, pitchers are getting cheap outs that are giving a false sense of their ability.

The UCLA pitcher using a strategy of throwing high fast balls to get LSU to smash 380-foot outs is not going to work at the next level for him, for example. It was smart and I'm for him and his smarts. But I'd rather it be because it's a day where the wind is uncharacteristically strong blowing in the hitter's face, not because the ballpark ALWAYS plays like that.

And believe me, I didn't care if LSU won or loss at the end of the day. Just like good baseball and would rather the CWS be played at a ballpark that plays fair, not necessarily favoring offense or pitching.



TigerCard
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
I haven't read every comment, so apologies if I'm just repeating what someone else has said. While offense overall is down and the number of home runs has decreased, it doesn't really seem to be that big of a problem with games played in campus stadiums.

To me, the larger problem is with TD Ameritrade park. They obviously designed it before the NCAA tinkered with the bats and, in the old "gorilla ball" era, it probably would have been just about right. But now that the ball doesn't carry as far, the park needs to be adjusted to the new reality. Just move the damn fences in about 10-15 feet and the whole problem goes away.


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upgrade
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
Bats were changed in 99 and again in 2011 bro.

You can pin the change on either LSU's 188 season or the 21-14 CWS. Take your pick.


TheDoc
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
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Bats were changed in 99 and again in 2011 bro.


In 2011 or 2010?


lsutigers1992
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
Television is usually behind rule changes and they just disguise it as something for "safety" or "for the fans."

Take college football for example. Who wanted all those bull shite clock changes like running the clock after kickoffs? Were fans complaining that the game was too long? Or was ESPN (and others) fed up with the 11:00 games going until 3:15, forcing them to join the 2:30 in progress in the second quarter?

Why don't they get rid of "time out derby" at the end of March Madness games? Fans hate it, but TV gets extra commercials!

Were "the fans" clamoring for the NFL to have a second commercial break after a kickoff touchback? But then they turn around and run the clock after out of bounds plays because "the game takes too long?"

They're all full of shit
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TheDoc
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
Agreed


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harry coleman beast
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
You're under the false impression that people care about college baseball.


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H-Town Tiger
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
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Bats were changed in 99 and again in 2011 bro


The 99 change was just to go back to bats they had used before 97 or 98. The so called nuclear bats were used for I think 2 years and they went back. Those bats were responsible the 188 HR and 21-14. That change was not about ESPN dictating it to shorten games as some one was suggesting.


H-Town Tiger
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
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Take college football for example. Who wanted all those bull shite clock changes like running the clock after kickoffs? Were fans complaining that the game was too long? Or was ESPN (and others) fed up with the 11:00 games going until 3:15, forcing them to join the 2:30 in progress in the second quarter?


The games run long because of the commercials man, it's the networks that make the games longer.


lsutigers1992
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Member since Mar 2006
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
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The games run long because of the commercials man, it's the networks that make the games longer.


That's my point. They found a way to make it more commercials/less content and still have the games fit in their window. Games in regulation now rarely run over the window.

I remember living in Houston in the early 2000s. I almost always missed the first quarter of the CBS SEC game because the 11:00 Big 12 regional game ran over. That doesn't happen anymore. If it does, it's because the "SEC Network" pushed their start time back to something like 11:25.


lsutigers1992
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
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That change was not about ESPN dictating it to shorten games as some one was suggesting.


I never said ESPN executives stormed the meeting and said "DO IT," but I guaran-damn-tee that the NCAA was aware that its TV partners did not like 14-11 fames that lasted until midnight.

Do you think the NFL protects its quarterbacks because they "care?" Or was it because CBS threw a hissy fit when Tom Brady was hurt? And they didn't have to lobby the committee to make their point known. Everybody knew it.


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ell_13
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Member since Apr 2013
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
You're saying there was a bat change in 2010 so ESPN, whose only focus is the postseason, can add more commercials to a sport that only has a limited amount of interruptions (b/w innings and pitching changes)?


harry coleman beast
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
He's a crazy person


redfieldk717
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Alec Box
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
memphis is back hcb


atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
Change the balls, bats, or both. Anything to increase scoring and increase the speed of the game is fine by me.

While we're at it, how about limiting the number of timeouts a team gets. This would eliminate the ridiculous number of times a batter asks for time-out from the ump for no good reason, and the slow walks to the mound from the coach. There are already 17 long breaks between half-innings - we don't need any more. Let's speed up everything.

Examples are making the batter stay in the box between pitches instead of walking five steps out just to re-adjust his hitting gloves for absolutely no good reason. Put a time clock on the pitchers. Allow intentional walks to be granted verbally w/o the need for 4 pitches. Allow one minute for a pitching change, including warm up pitches.

There are so many things that can easily be done, not only to increase offensive production, but to speed up this ridiculously slow game.


ell_13
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
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Examples are making the batter stay in the box between pitches instead of walking five steps out just to re-adjust his hitting gloves for absolutely no good reason. Put a time clock on the pitchers. Allow intentional walks to be granted verbally w/o the need for 4 pitches. Allow one minute for a pitching change, including warm up pitches.


The first two are already in place. The third is done in JUCO and NAIA, and they also have 7-inning double-headers too. If those didn't give away your ignorance, the one-minute pitching change suggestion sure did.


atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
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The first two are already in place. The third is done in JUCO and NAIA, and they also have 7-inning double-headers too. If those didn't give away your ignorance, the one-minute pitching change suggestion sure did.


Really? How come I've never seen an umpire make a batter stay in the box or seen a pitcher violate a pitch clock. If these rules are in place, do they have any teeth? Can the ump award a ball or a strike for a violation? I've never, ever seen that. If these rules really are in place, that the umps don't enforce them at all, but I wish they would.

As for the 1- minute pitching change, I'll stand behind my suggestion 100%. To me, nothing is worse that watching a coach's slow walk to the mound, followed by a long conversation with the pitcher until the ump comes out to break it up. Then the coach calls for a new pitcher, who jogs to the mound, and then proceeds to throw a couple minutes worth of warm up pitches. It absolutely kills the momentum of the game and needs to be changed.


peopleschamp
Wright St. Fan
Baton Rouge
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
It seems to me when you get under any pitch in any baseball park the way the Indiana player did or Ibarra did you run the risk of popping out. The best approach is to try to drill low line drives or hard ground balls. Change your approach if necessary or shorten your swing. Katz had really good at bats. He was squaring up the ball pretty well. Even his homerun was a hard line drive more than a long pop up.


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ell_13
USA Fan
Member since Apr 2013
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective
It's at the umpire's discretion. Warnings are given and usually heeded to.

If the pitching change only lasts a minute, then when the hell am I supposed to get my $10 chicken basket?!

But in all seriousness, you can't change the way coaches change pitchers. Sometimes, the coach doesn't know he's making the change until he speaks with the pitcher. Sometimes, the coach is actually trying to piss off the umpire and get him to come to the mound so they can share a few words. The relief pitcher, even if he sprints like Cotton, will need more than a minute from the time he leaves the bullpen mound. "In the name of safety," he will never lose those ~8 warmup pitches, which I think is necessary for some places that have a completely different game mound than the shitty bullpen mound.
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Memphis
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re: Great NYT Article re: Bats, Scoring at TDA Park; and not from LSU perspective


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