re: Grading Coach O since he was hired as HC

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His offense put up 700 more yards than LSU did this year while playing one more game than LSU and while playing in a weaker defensive conference.

Lets wait until he faces some SEC defenses before we label him #1.

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Stating facts like this will get you labeled as wanting Orgeron to fail.

Overall---top to bottom, left to right--I'd give him a B.......He's had a couple brain-farts but done pretty well.....

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Didn't we lose out on seven of the top ten players in the state? That's remarkable?

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We don't get Allen or Smith no matter what.

Miles probably keeps Moses, but we don't get Phillips.

We had a great class...the 'in state' shite is soooooo overplayed. I don't care where they come from, just go get em.

Did we not enjoy the success of Jamal Adams cause he was from Texas? What if Stevens was from Bastrop, would he now be a better player? Phillips? Brennan?

Saban had to retain the La players when he came in, cause we couldn't even recruit Texas, now we recruit the entire SE USA.

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And also please enlighten the rest of us on what Miles accomplished after the 2011 season with a program that has consistently had as much or more talent in the NFL in recent memory than any other school.

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I've made it obvious I think the O hire was terrible, I'm not hiding from that. I had a conversation with two coworkers recently, and they both tried to tell me that all of our NFL guys were developed AFTER they left LSU, not by Les and his staff. Not kidding at all, I had to walk away from the conversation at that point.

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d they both tried to tell me that all of our NFL guys were developed AFTER they left LSU, not by Les and his staff. Not kidding at all, I had to walk away from the conversation at that point.

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There is a portion of lsu fans that really think all our success from 2005-2015 was in spite of miles. They think just any coach couldve recruited all those great players despite lsu's century old history proving them wrong. Miles wasnt a great game day coach but there are about 4-5 elite recruiters that are also elite game day coaches. Thats what makes them the best coaches in cfb.

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but he also had an overall more tumultuous situation with all the surrounding drama

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How so? He was RC for almost a year before he was named HC, so the relationships were already there, and if you go back and read recruits' quotes when he was named both Interim and Full Time HC, they all said they love O. He also had over a full month more than Les, and I can't remember how much longer than Saban, before signing day.

ETA: Saban was named HC on November 30, so around the same time as O. Also, it was O's choice to holdout hope for Kiffin, and he got burned. Kiffin also caused the Tua drama.

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I don't know if he's the only coach who could have done it but Orgeron did better holding his first recruiting class together than Miles and Saban did in their first years.

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Lol. Miles in 05 was hired a month before signing day and saban had stopped recruiting. So much so that miles only signed 13 recruits in his 1st class.

Ed orgeron had been the recruiting coordinator for over year and had already had relationships with these recruits. The situations arent remotely close.


Like i said, Coach O deserves praise for keeping the class intact but leta not act like ed orgeron is one of the few coaches that couldve done this given the circumstances. He was the recruiting coordinator before being hired as HC. He had relationships with all these recruits.

This is false, I saw an LSU team completely turned around after Les was fired. He turned this program around because it was headed to a very dark place. Miles wasn't a leader, second guessed too much on player decisions, in game decisions, and just never stopped to listen to what the players wanted.

Since O has taken over I've seen a more diciplined team, quick/consistent decisions, and the team now knows where the line is drawn that if that line is crossed there will be disipline which you will not like. He's setting a president in the program, he's listening to the players, they are having fun, he's changed practice times, and he's listening to the fans by starting the spring game at night. He's creating a team like environment on AND off the field everywhere they go it's together as a team. He's changing the spring drills making them much more intense. He's made home run hires the players will respond to positively, guys that work hard, know their positions, and can get on the road to recruit. He's put a premium on keeping the best in La, no matter thier star rating but by actually projecting that player on this LSU team. He's doing everything right IMO.

Say what you want about this class but O and LSU had some tremendous negative recruiting to overcome. Yes O was recruiting coordinator but it was still Les Miles recruiting tactics, we all know he had his hand in everything. O even said that they didn't really start recruiting until he had taken over. Les was slow but still LSU found guys every year. This tells me that with a great year (which I think we will have) that LSU will be able to calm lots of that negative recruiting then land most of the guys we want. Just look at what happened over the weekend guys committed on the spot, guys Les would have most certainly played slow. Another top 5 class so far without a season even played yet. Once the season is kicked off LSU will be a huge player nationally, and this staff won't be out worked. I expect to have another top 5 possibly top 3 class with LA being down. When LA was down Les Miles didn't do so well in recruiting, so we'll see what O has this year. I expect a totally different team to come out blowing passed the first 4 games. I mean dominating like we've seen with ole Nicky back in 03 then carrying that over into SEC play. AL, AU, FL IMO will be the only teams to really compete. GT

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Recruiting for 2017 class: B+

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Except for the fact BAMA basically cleaned the state of top recruits