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Forced change in offense???
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:36 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:36 am
Does anyone feel that maybe the coaching staff is forcing a change in offense to keep up with the times?
It seems like certain plays and schemes are being forced in games even though they aren't working quite well. It's as if we are shifting to more of a passing offense with bigger WR sets than to stay comfortable with the power I. Miles/Crowton is going after personnel like Russel Shepard, Drayton Calhoun, Jakhari Gore, and has Lache Seastrunk on top of the runningback list. Is it just me or does anyone else feel that LSU is trying to modernize its attack with an offense similar to Florida's.
It seems like certain plays and schemes are being forced in games even though they aren't working quite well. It's as if we are shifting to more of a passing offense with bigger WR sets than to stay comfortable with the power I. Miles/Crowton is going after personnel like Russel Shepard, Drayton Calhoun, Jakhari Gore, and has Lache Seastrunk on top of the runningback list. Is it just me or does anyone else feel that LSU is trying to modernize its attack with an offense similar to Florida's.
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Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:42 am to coldhotwings
LSU has alot of spread type personell but, LSU doesnt know how to run the spread.
I guess they think Billy Gonzalez can teach our HC and OC how to run our offense.
Quotes from Miles about a guy BG.
I guess they think Billy Gonzalez can teach our HC and OC how to run our offense.
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“Billy has experience in the passing game, and he brings different ideas,” Miles said. “I would like Billy to step in and get going with practice. There is a lot of shared offense there
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“[Gonzales] will add some strategy to things,” Miles said. “They will bounce ideas off each other. I think it will help our offense.”
Quotes from Miles about a guy BG.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 7:52 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:45 am to LsuTool
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I guess they think Billy Gonzalez can teach our HC and OC how to run our offense.
good point
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:45 am to coldhotwings
They are running an offense that does not fit their players and does not make sense. They run plays that don't work over and over and plays that work don't get run again. They run plays that JJ is not comfortable running instead of one he runs well.
What times would they be keeping up with? The team that won the conference runs an old fashioned offense.
What times would they be keeping up with? The team that won the conference runs an old fashioned offense.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:46 am to Coach in Waiting
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They are running an offense that does not fit their players and does not make s
Running b/t the tackles vs SEC power defenses with a spread interior OL = BAD NEWS.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:50 am to LsuTool
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Running b/t the tackles vs SEC power defenses with a spread interior OL
it's funny that u said this b/c it looks as if LSU's interior o-line fits this description
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:51 am to LsuTool
quote:You can't concede the run between the tackles. That is why you must get rid of the spread interior linemen and run power football.
Running b/t the tackles vs SEC power defenses with a spread interior OL = BAD NEWS.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:54 am to Coach in Waiting
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You can't concede the run between the tackles. That is why you must get rid of the spread interior linemen and run power football.
Ture, but, are we a true spread team? Do you think our coaches can run a true spread all game long and get production? HELL NO.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 7:57 am to Coach in Waiting
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They are running an offense that does not fit their players and does not make sense. They run plays that don't work over and over and plays that work don't get run again. They run plays that JJ is not comfortable running instead of one he runs well.
You are absolutely right about their tendency to run plays over and over again that doesn't work but what if they are trying to force the change. This is the idea of my post. Kinda like what RichRod is doing in Michigan with players that don't fit the system. They look bad now but would it pay off in a year or 2?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:01 am to LsuTool
Does anyone agree that the best way to learn a new language is to force yourself to use it no matter how much easier it is to speak english? Does anyone think that maybe Miles/Crowton are willing to risk their job security to make this change.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:12 am to coldhotwings
quote:I agree with you as to why they are doing it. I don't think it makes sense, and I am not for becoming a total spread team. At some point, an offense must be able to knock the defense off the ball and pick up tough yards. Florida has been able to make the spread work because they have a power running game with Tebow. They abandoned that in the SECCG and you saw the result. UF told recruit Mack Brown that they would be running a more traditional offense once Tebow left.
Does anyone agree that the best way to learn a new language is to force yourself to use it no matter how much easier it is to speak english? Does anyone think that maybe Miles/Crowton are willing to risk their job security to make this change.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:20 am to coldhotwings
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doesn't work but what if they are trying to force the change. This is the idea of my post.
I posted something along these lines earlier this year...they've basically said "we're going to run a multi-pronged offense, and we're going to keep running it until we get it right." There is some merit to this strategy, as you should continue to get better with repetition, and if they truly we're able to execute spread, option and power then the offense would be a force. However, you're screwed if you never get better.
One of Les' issues is seeing how close the offense is to being great...many of those plays that didn't work were the result of a simple mistake, but at some point you have to recognize that a series of simple mistakes may be systemic, and no matter how many times you practice it, you're never going to be great at it. Good is the enemy of great.
I disagree with an earlier point in the thread, I think the team is more built for a pro-set right now. Big receivers, big backs, good tight end. Les likes to create match up problems with numbers on passing downs, which creates protection problems. IMO, our top 3 receivers this year were match up problems by themselves. I think we would have been more effective with 3 receivers plus a safety valve, and keep 7 in to block.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 8:22 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:21 am to Coach in Waiting
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Florida has been able to make the spread work because they have a power running game with Tebow. They abandoned that in the SECCG and you saw the result. UF told recruit Mack Brown that they would be running a more traditional offense once Tebow left.
You are right but I'm not saying that LSU is going to be Texas Tech. I just feel that maybe we will never be the same offense as you would have seen 5 years ago. Miles is still recruiting fullbacks and damn good ones at that. If I were to pick another offense in the SEC that is the most similar to what LSU is trying to accomplish, Auburn comes to mind. They have the spread going along with halfbacks that can run it up the gut.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:26 am to Coach in Waiting
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Florida has been able to make the spread work because they have a power running game with Tebow
not only that, but they've had a QB who fully understands the offense and how to make the right reads to find the open man...not many QB's can survey the field after the snap and quickly know which receiver should be open just by the way the defense is moving. This seems to be one problem with Crowton's passing game, it requires reads after the snap by the QB and receivers...if one or both are confused by what's going on, the play is toast. And given that some of the plays were called with only a couple of seconds on the play clock, JJ had no time to get a vision of possible progressions based on how the defense was set.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:26 am to ForeLSU
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I posted something along these lines earlier this year...they've basically said "we're going to run a multi-pronged offense, and we're going to keep running it until we get it right." There is some merit to this strategy, as you should continue to get better with repetition, and if they truly we're able to execute spread, option and power then the offense would be a force. However, you're screwed if you never get better.
maybe the gamblin man ain't done gamblin after all
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:28 am to ForeLSU
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This seems to be one problem with Crowton's passing game, it requires reads after the snap by the QB and receivers...if one or both are confused by what's going on, the play is toast.
so would u agree that the coaching is trying to force the issue?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:29 am to coldhotwings
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maybe the gamblin man ain't done gamblin after all
the question is, does he remember what Kenny Rogers said..."you gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em".
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:33 am to ForeLSU
I know that Mr Gonzales is only a WR coach but what if he could get the gears turning and the machine to start rolling? Is this a good reason why he was given the title "passing game coordinator"?
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 8:34 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:36 am to coldhotwings
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so would u agree that the coaching is trying to force the issue?
I'm not sure force is the word I would use, but yea, they have to be willing at some point to recognize when something just isn't going to work. They were willing to sacrifice some this year with the belief that it would pay off next. Personally there is a little to much "hope" in that strategy for me, but I understand it (assuming that is what they're doing)
Posted on 12/16/09 at 8:43 am to coldhotwings
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I know that Mr Gonzales is only a WR coach but what if he could get the gears turning and the machine to start rolling? Is this a good reason why he was given the title "passing game coordinator"?
I don't know...my opinion is if Crowton needs help with strategy then he needs to go. He's the highest paid OC in the SEC. It's possible that McCarthy was not the right receivers coach to teach the receivers what they needed to do on certain plays and they figure the Crowton/BG combo will work much better together. Les did say that Crowton observed Fl practice and was really impressed with the way BG worked with the receivers.
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