For the fans that are really down on LSU football/Les Miles/Recruiting.

spot on.

sadly, miles will never be able to escape the shadow of saban. at least as long as saban coaches at a competing school. hell, i was in a restaraunt a couple months ago and some blowhard fan (yes, lsu) had a few too many and was all over sabans nuts. this was after the first game and therefore saban, his god, had dropped 2 in a row to miles. it just doesn't matter what miles does, SOME LSU FANS will only remember saban and the times bama wins or gets a recruit from La. saban has not coached lsu for 7 years and this shite continues to go on. saban has the reputation of being the best there is; and i will admit that he is BETTER AT BAMA THAN HE WAS AT LSU. at LSU, he got bored after the NC. it appears that he just gets more intense at bama; i guess his NFL failure is still eating at him.

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sadly, miles will never be able to escape the shadow of saban. at least as long as saban coaches at a competing school. hell, i was in a restaraunt a couple months ago and some blowhard fan (yes, lsu) had a few too many and was all over sabans nuts. this was after the first game and therefore saban, his god, had dropped 2 in a row to miles. it just doesn't matter what miles does, SOME LSU FANS will only remember saban and the times bama wins or gets a recruit from La. saban has not coached lsu for 7 years and this shite continues to go on. saban has the reputation of being the best there is; and i will admit that he is BETTER AT BAMA THAN HE WAS AT LSU. at LSU, he got bored after the NC. it appears that he just gets more intense at bama; i guess his NFL failure is still eating at him.

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I agree with all of that. But Miles had a chance to put his stamp on the LSU program and to finally silence the critics forever. But not only did we lose to Nick Saban and Alabama, we got humiliated and Les Miles didn't even seem to give his team a chance. Add to that the recruiting season and Nick Saban has totally slapped Les Miles in the face the last month. No matter what happens, nothing will ever change that fact that Nick Saban personally stopped LSU from winning another national title.

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I think it is 100% the latter.

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Probably an overstatement. I think it is more like 99.3%.

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I agree with all of that. But Miles had a chance to put his stamp on the LSU program and to finally silence the critics forever. But not only did we lose to Nick Saban and Alabama, we got humiliated and Les Miles didn't even seem to give his team a chance. Add to that the recruiting season and Nick Saban has totally slapped Les Miles in the face the last month. No matter what happens, nothing will ever change that fact that Nick Saban personally stopped LSU from winning another national title.

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Dead On!!

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sadly, miles will never be able to escape the shadow of saban

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because saban owns the stubborn man, he had the chance to escape the shadow, but then there is love

I hate Nick Saban. He is the enemy and he needs to choke on a turkey leg.

i agree with the OP, but in the back of our minds, we know that Miles is due for a gaff every year.

05 Tennessee
Ole Miss clock
Arky clock
BCS game....team not having a clue of what to do.


break
Had we played OSU, our mindset would have been totally different and you would have seen us break down OSU like we did Oregon.

But the rematch got in our head and we didn't even show up.


It makes some, including me, say that any coach could have done well with this team.



But, there is no other variable to compare Miles to, so we thank him for the 13-1, but always wonder what could have been.





ETA......Add to that, Keil, Davis, Collins, etc and you wonder if they would have defected at all had we shown up on Jan 9.


Things to consider.

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Or because we lost to Bama (who has Saban), you think Miles sucks because he isn't Saban, and we lost recruits to Bama and Bama/Saban hauled in the best class in the country, again?

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No. Not because we lost to Bama. They are a good team, but we beat them once in regular season. I'm pissed because we were forced into a double-jeopardy game on 1/9. And I'm even more pissed because of how LSU played on offense, how the team seemed unmotivated and unprepared, and how *CLM coached, making no adjustments or QB substitutions when we had two very capable QBs rotting on the bench and even Shep who could have led a couple of Wildcat formations to shake things up. If we'd lost playing LSU football, fine. I'd be disappointed but I could have accepted that. But to lose without ever "showing up" is unexplainable and unexcusable. Bama's good but we are good too. And we beat 'em once already.

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many LSU fans are just insecure because they wish we still had Saban and it pains them to see him succeed at Bama and take the Bama program to another level at LSUs expense. I think that if Bama had a different coach and were having the exact same success, LSU fans wouldn't be bitching and moaning like many are now about the state of the LSU program (which is probably the best it has EVER been).

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Nope. Maybe for some, but I'd say for most if LSU lost to anybody the way LSU lost that game on 1/9, LSU fans would be rightly pissed off. Face it, we just didn't play LSU football that night and it wasn't because Bama/Saban were so great. Remember, we were in striking distance going into the 4th quarter. If we'd had any life at all, it might well have been a game with a different outcome.

I am mostly pissed because I think we squandered an opportunity to beat Alabama, the DARLINGS of the media, the entitled elite. We let them continue to own that space and that pisses me off. We were underdogs even though we had already beat them and had the better win record going into the BCSNC. It's really only fun being the "underdog" when you pull off the upset.

It takes a long time to earn that reputation and you have to do it one game and one season at a time. But these opportunities don't present themselves every year. And yes, my hopes are up high this year and that scares me. I did not expect a 13-0 run last year and was pleasantly surprised until 1/9 then suddenly felt humiliated. That sucked. Here's to 2012!

Lastly, I don't want Saban as our coach but I do want to whip his arse regularly. He is currently the best there is out there so he and Alabama are who I want to beat.