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re: For 7 games LSU fans said "Develop the passing game." Miles just ran the ball.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:52 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:52 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:And that's why you work to develop a passing game early in the season, instead of averaging 15 passes per game and probably 50 or so runs in your 1st 4 games.
And?
quote:Same reason LSU's offense sucked late this season, 1 dimensional. That kinda proves my point.
Why haven't all these pass happy teams won titles?
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Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:52 am to LNCHBOX
quote:
Facts don't jive with your post, but that's no surprise.
I think you misunderstood the OP. His point was DEVELOPMENT. Which means how did we get here from there. So last examine, game #1, Moo St. LSU completed 9 passes out of 14. FOURTEEN:
Brandon Harris complete to Malachi Dupre for 2 yards
Brandon Harris complete to DeSean Smith for 23 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Malachi Dupre for 20 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Travin Dural for 2 yards
Brandon Harris complete to John Diarse for 9 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Colin Jeter for 2 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Travin Dural for 9 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Travin Dural for 4 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Travin Dural for no gain
Notice anything? Look closer? One more time?
56% of our passes were 4 yds or less. 4 YDS OR LESS 56%!! You might as well keep running at that rate. Theres no development of a passing game. Its "Lets pretend to pass, as long as we dont throw to anywhere it might get picked off"
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:53 am to Rickdaddy4188
OBJ and Landry did get open some, but a lot of their catches were in heavy traffic making great athletic plays. Most QBs and WRs aren't capable of that. They certainly weren't open the way Josh Reed used to get open.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:53 am to biglego
quote:
didn't say anything about 2011 but since you mention it, it was a decent offense but not special. That team lived off ST and defense and you know it.
Except FACTS prove you wrong. 2011 lsu was 17th in the country in offensive points per game.
2011 lsu was 36th in the country (3rd in the sec) in offensive yards per play.
So tell me again how our offense wasn't good in 2011
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:54 am to biglego
quote:If by some, you mean wayyyyyyyy more than most WRs, I agree.
OBJ and Landry did get open some
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:57 am to biglego
quote:
They certainly weren't open the way Josh Reed used to get open.
So since they didn't get open as much as the best wr and route runner in lsu history, they didn't get open enough?
God I hate our entitled fans
Posted on 11/28/15 at 11:59 am to Rickdaddy4188
They got open. Not disputing that. Just rarely saw those wide open- run after the catch plays.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:00 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Yeah I'd honestly expect Odell and Landry to get open as much as Reed. Bc they are better athletes.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:00 pm to BK785
quote:
Its like why buy a Ferrari when you can't drive manual?
How many Ferraris have you driven?
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:02 pm to biglego
quote:Beckham is also more athletic than Jerry Rice. That helps, but it's certainly not as important as you're insinuating to getting open.
Yeah I'd honestly expect Odell and Landry to get open as much as Reed. Bc they are better athletes.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:04 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I'm sure I could pick some stats too, and I still mever even brought up 2011. But even still, according to your own reasoning, we're supposed to be thrilled that the greatest LSU team in school history was 17th in scoring? 36th in yards per play? Like I said, it's good but nothing special.
You know what? You win. LSUs offense has been great, the QB development is fine, and Les is an offensive guru. Les should get an extension and we should all be thrilled the offense is performing as good as it can be. Any stats or observations that indicate otherwise are merely delirious hallucination.
You know what? You win. LSUs offense has been great, the QB development is fine, and Les is an offensive guru. Les should get an extension and we should all be thrilled the offense is performing as good as it can be. Any stats or observations that indicate otherwise are merely delirious hallucination.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:05 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
LNCHBOX
OK, so maybe youre not convinced. Lets move on to game #2, Auburn. We completed 12 passes, out of 17. So in just two games LSU has thrown the ball 31 times. In 2 games
Brandon Harris complete to Leonard Fournette for 9 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Travin Dural for 5 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Derrius Guice for 6 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Travin Dural for 2 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Colin Jeter for 1 yard
Brandon Harris complete to Malachi Dupre for 8 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Travin Dural for 9 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Tyron Johnson for no gain
Brandon Harris complete to Travin Dural for 11 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Colin Jeter for 14 yards
Brandon Harris complete to John Diarse for 10 yards
Brandon Harris complete to Nick Brossette for loss of 1 yard
Now in our 2nd game, LSU once again throws 50% of its passes for less yardage that we could have run for. We are not passing the ball, we are just dumping the ball off. Just in hopes of keeping our opponents honest.
But most concerning, is we've now gone thru 2 SECw games and amassed 145 TOTAL yds in passing. 145!! Thats a little over 4 yards per attempt. 4 YARDS. Our rushing average is better than that
OP is right. LSU clearly DID NOT ATTEMPT to develop a passing game, not until it was too late. No development, no rhythm. No rhythm, no success
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:09 pm to biglego
quote:
Yeah I'd honestly expect Odell and Landry to get open as much as Reed. Bc they are better athletes.
But they weren't better route runners. Every one of reed's routes look exactly the same. His 9 route looks just like a hitch. You can be athletic as hell but if you're tipping your hand before your breaks it doesn't matter.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:10 pm to biglego
quote:
You know what? You win. LSUs offense has been great, the QB development is fine, and Les is an offensive guru.
Nice straw man. Sorry my facts prove that 2013 was a good offense and so was 2011.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:13 pm to RobbBobb
Why are you trying to boom me on development and talking about games 1 and 2?
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:14 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
OP is right. LSU clearly DID NOT ATTEMPT to develop a passing game, not until it was too late. No development, no rhythm. No rhythm, no success
Yes we did. The games were closer than expected and you don't go away from your strentgh just to develop a passing game in a close game.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Straw man? The straw man was bringing up 2011 when no one here was talking about 2011. Then arguing that 2013 was a good offense when no one was arguing otherwise. I don't even know what you're arguing about.
Do you think LSU has been good at developing the passing game? That's what this thread was about. 2013 is an outlier thanks to a wonderful collection of NFL talent, and if you want to go back further you can and you'll see the passing game hasn't been stellar for a long time.
Do you think LSU has been good at developing the passing game? That's what this thread was about. 2013 is an outlier thanks to a wonderful collection of NFL talent, and if you want to go back further you can and you'll see the passing game hasn't been stellar for a long time.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:16 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Well, you said we passed "early and often" against Florida, and I debunked that one too, so there's that...
Why are you trying to boom me on development and talking about games 1 and 2?
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
And in any case, those 2011 and 2013 offenses were still useless against Bama. So your best Les offenses still aren't good enough to win the West, and that's the main problem.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 12:19 pm to shel311
You didn't debunk shite. For the first quarter we were basically 50/50 balance, and If didn't stop anything we did the first half.
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