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Finding/Developing A Championship QB
Posted on 1/18/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/18/15 at 2:11 pm
There are 3 main considerations in finding/developing a championship QB.
1) SYSTEMS FIT/IDENTITY - Fit to the system you are committed to. This assumes the program has a system identity that is fitting to the league of play.
2) PREREQUISITE SKILLS - Prerequisite skills pertinent to the system. Arm strength and accuracy, playbook mastery, basic game management skills like checking off, being a reasonable leader, staying composed, confidence. Reasonable pocket awareness/presence and mobility and other things matter also, so this list is not all inclusive, but you get the point.
3) DIFFERENTIATING SKILLSET(S) - The most important differentiating skill set is field vision and "executive funtion". It is why the 4 QB's playing in the AFC and NFC championship games are playing at a high level. They can use their ability to move their eyes around the field and see a full complexion of what is unfolding with a calculus brand of thinking and strong "executive function. Sure, some of the skillsets that I labeled "prerequisite" can be special as well, like great mobility or amazing ability to sling it, etc.
So, inspect the LSU QB's over the last few years, and we typically put a QB on the field who possesses the minimum of #2, the prerequisites.
However, were we have gone wrong is that #1 Identity has either been wrong for the QB we are going with and the poor match hurts our ability to contend for the SEC WEST (aside from the execption when we have Mett or an NFL laden D), or our chosen QB lacks #3, lacks the differentiated skillsets, namely field vision above all else.
This pattern is repeated over and over again, and other than Mettenburger, NO LSU QB has had it.
Why? Because mental habits are incredibly hard to change, and if the QB does not have to develop this capability in HS (which is rare in LA, since HS coached select strong skill players to run/throw the ball as a "QB"), then the coaching at the first 12-24 months in college MUST develop this in order for the QB to gain it, because it is THE BIGGEST DIFFERENTIATOR needed to win the SEC and National Titles. If they are not allowed to develop it, the simpleton/inadequate mental habits get more entrenched, and the more entrenched they are, the harder it is to build better mental patterns in the mind of the student-athlete.
I hope Jennings and Harris get drills in this area WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND ANYTHING ELSE THEY ARE COACHED - starting this January and beyond.
1) SYSTEMS FIT/IDENTITY - Fit to the system you are committed to. This assumes the program has a system identity that is fitting to the league of play.
2) PREREQUISITE SKILLS - Prerequisite skills pertinent to the system. Arm strength and accuracy, playbook mastery, basic game management skills like checking off, being a reasonable leader, staying composed, confidence. Reasonable pocket awareness/presence and mobility and other things matter also, so this list is not all inclusive, but you get the point.
3) DIFFERENTIATING SKILLSET(S) - The most important differentiating skill set is field vision and "executive funtion". It is why the 4 QB's playing in the AFC and NFC championship games are playing at a high level. They can use their ability to move their eyes around the field and see a full complexion of what is unfolding with a calculus brand of thinking and strong "executive function. Sure, some of the skillsets that I labeled "prerequisite" can be special as well, like great mobility or amazing ability to sling it, etc.
So, inspect the LSU QB's over the last few years, and we typically put a QB on the field who possesses the minimum of #2, the prerequisites.
However, were we have gone wrong is that #1 Identity has either been wrong for the QB we are going with and the poor match hurts our ability to contend for the SEC WEST (aside from the execption when we have Mett or an NFL laden D), or our chosen QB lacks #3, lacks the differentiated skillsets, namely field vision above all else.
This pattern is repeated over and over again, and other than Mettenburger, NO LSU QB has had it.
Why? Because mental habits are incredibly hard to change, and if the QB does not have to develop this capability in HS (which is rare in LA, since HS coached select strong skill players to run/throw the ball as a "QB"), then the coaching at the first 12-24 months in college MUST develop this in order for the QB to gain it, because it is THE BIGGEST DIFFERENTIATOR needed to win the SEC and National Titles. If they are not allowed to develop it, the simpleton/inadequate mental habits get more entrenched, and the more entrenched they are, the harder it is to build better mental patterns in the mind of the student-athlete.
I hope Jennings and Harris get drills in this area WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND ANYTHING ELSE THEY ARE COACHED - starting this January and beyond.
This post was edited on 1/18/15 at 2:47 pm
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 3:56 pm to Football_Freak
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Jennings - Should not be completely written off. However, his thought patterns/progressions are strongly established and engrained, so some very on-point, innovative and strongly regimented practices are hugely needed for him to be able to grow to a QB most would deem acceptable as a SEC Championship contending QB. Cam has major and smart work in front of him to pull this off. It is a long shot, but is in the realm of possibility, especially if the offensive approach is super tailored to his strengths, which we should all expect in the spring and fall.
Harris - Most think he is much more "developable", but we will only find out if he hits the playbook like a madman and shows remarkably improved discipline and compliance with the Miles and Cam way.
Shea Patterson (Future Possible, Hopeful QB) - His HS film shows great promise on these three areas. He is highly compatible with the style of offense Miles wishes to run, shows good mobility and pocket presence, has good size and arm strength/accuracy, and sees the field well above average for a HS QB.
Franks - He has a lot of potential and is a commit, and we are hopeful he can be that guy. His HS film shows little of the field vision that is the hallmark of a championship SEC QB, but with the right development, he may bring that to the team.
Jennings - Should not be completely written off. However, his thought patterns/progressions are strongly established and engrained, so some very on-point, innovative and strongly regimented practices are hugely needed for him to be able to grow to a QB most would deem acceptable as a SEC Championship contending QB. Cam has major and smart work in front of him to pull this off. It is a long shot, but is in the realm of possibility, especially if the offensive approach is super tailored to his strengths, which we should all expect in the spring and fall.
Harris - Most think he is much more "developable", but we will only find out if he hits the playbook like a madman and shows remarkably improved discipline and compliance with the Miles and Cam way.
Shea Patterson (Future Possible, Hopeful QB) - His HS film shows great promise on these three areas. He is highly compatible with the style of offense Miles wishes to run, shows good mobility and pocket presence, has good size and arm strength/accuracy, and sees the field well above average for a HS QB.
Franks - He has a lot of potential and is a commit, and we are hopeful he can be that guy. His HS film shows little of the field vision that is the hallmark of a championship SEC QB, but with the right development, he may bring that to the team.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 4:04 pm to Football_Freak
What offense are you saying Les wants to run?
Posted on 1/18/15 at 4:07 pm to Football_Freak
Lot of good stuff.
Shea is a must for 2016.
Shea is a must for 2016.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 8:06 pm to Football_Freak
LA just doesn't put qbs in the league, last one to be drafted was Stefan lefors.
But in all honesty, Lee, Jefferson, Mett, Rivers, Rettig and Jennings were considered pro style qbs. Harris not, and that Randall kid not.
But in all honesty, Lee, Jefferson, Mett, Rivers, Rettig and Jennings were considered pro style qbs. Harris not, and that Randall kid not.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 8:11 pm to dgnx6
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Jefferson considered pro style qb
Arena Ball maybe
Posted on 1/18/15 at 10:30 pm to dgnx6
quote:
LA just doesn't put qbs in the league, last one to be drafted was Stefan lefors.
True, but we don't need an NFL level Qb, just one that has the prerequisites and fits, and has reasonable field vision. Jefferson and Jennings have the poorest field vision of any QB's I can ever recall in SEC play. We don't need our recruits to come from LA either. Matt Mauck was from Indiana, JRussell from Alabama and Flynn from Texas.
Just find a QB who plays in a HS system that truly develops their ability to scan the field, and then bring them in an develop them further.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 10:31 pm to Football_Freak
Who's responsibility is it to find this magical QB? Just curious...
Posted on 1/18/15 at 10:46 pm to tigerpawl
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Who's responsibility is it to find this magical QB? Just curious...
Orgeron will seal him. Shea has already been found, and we had better real him in. He is the best QB to come out of LA in years.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:09 pm to Football_Freak
Football Freak you are a man of great football knowledge and insight. Thanks for the lesson.
Question
What is holding LA back? Why do we not have the QB development needed for success in the SEC?
In your opinion.
Question
What is holding LA back? Why do we not have the QB development needed for success in the SEC?
In your opinion.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:28 pm to RUKidding
Go to Matthews and get another Tom Hodson and let him make All SEC 4 years in a row!!
Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:56 pm to RUKidding
quote:shite coaches throughout the state
What is holding LA back? Why do we not have the QB development needed for success in the SEC?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:08 am to RUKidding
Most schools are run heavy and try to rely on a defense and stout running game to beat opponents. They do it out of all sets and formations.
Some coaches throw it over the yard like STM and Teurlings but even then the talent they do so with isnt SEC material.
Some coaches throw it over the yard like STM and Teurlings but even then the talent they do so with isnt SEC material.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:19 am to The Mick
We do not need to feel obligated and take a QB from Louisiana if he is not good enough to play SEC football. Coaches do all the evaluations and are responsible for development and our staff has failed on this. Even the QBs who transfer out of here struggle. Most of our better QBs in Louisiana are just athletes who play the QB position, ex. QB going to Ole Miss from New Iberia and QB from Warren Easton. Take a look at all the QBs from Louisiana who never came to LSU and went to schools they felt they would progress. You can start in the mid 90's with Peyton Manning and work your way forward. The Patterson kid is a must get and should compete for the starting job day one at LSU. You can't blame the current QBs since the coaches are responsible for signing these kids and getting them ready. I think this current staff for some reason feels they need to recruit athletes and try and make them a QB. The QB position is the most important position so why are we bringing in kids and having to teach them on how to read defenses and manage games. Take a look at all the QBs who do not play in a power 5 conference who are better and more productive than what we have here right now on our roster. Bottom line, the coaches at LSU are recruiting athletes and our trying to teach them the game and they have failed. Very hard task to do when you play in the toughest conference in college football. That's why I thought we should of played Mett from day one here and not waste time with the other QBs.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 3:49 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 6:39 am to Football_Freak
Shea Patterson is not from Louisiana bruh. Calvary recruited him from Texas. I agree, he is a QB LSU desperately needs
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 6:40 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:29 am to RUKidding
quote:
What is holding LA back? Why do we not have the QB development needed for success in the SEC? In your opinion.
Though this has been discussed ad nauseam, in my opinion, it seems that most high school head coach's priorities lie in winning football games, not preparing QB's for play at the next level. For example, wasn't Diarse a state-title winning QB at Neville (if I remember correctly)?
The best athletes are placed at QB and are asked to make plays. If they can outrun defenses while scrambling, then passer skills take a backseat. There are many schools that run wing-t, double tight/double wing, veer, triple option, and flex-bone offenses, just to name a few. If they can rush for 400 yards, then 50-60 yards passing is just lagniappe.
Point being, not much emphasis on reading defenses, pocket awareness, and back shoulder throws.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:38 am to Football_Freak
It's essential to recruit QBs with intelligence. They don't have to be rocket scientists, but continuing to bring in guys whose pure physical skills are enough to allow them to excel at the high school level, but who lack the brainpower to learn sophisticated offensive schemes and to recognize and adjust to equally (or more) sophisticated defenses, is a recipe for mediocrity--or worse.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:58 am to nycajun
I know he is from Texas, but Shea is considered an in state recruit and the best thing to a true QB in our state.
Pellerin kid from New Iberia only ran the wing T in HS. He was never asked to pass unless desperatley needed to do so. You are right though, passing skills are only lagniappe for most teams in HS.
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The best athletes are placed at QB and are asked to make plays. If they can outrun defenses while scrambling, then passer skills take a backseat. There are many schools that run wing-t, double tight/double wing, veer, triple option, and flex-bone offenses, just to name a few. If they can rush for 400 yards, then 50-60 yards passing is just lagniappe.
Pellerin kid from New Iberia only ran the wing T in HS. He was never asked to pass unless desperatley needed to do so. You are right though, passing skills are only lagniappe for most teams in HS.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 8:03 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:09 am to RUKidding
quote:
What is holding LA back? Why do we not have the QB development needed for success in the SEC?
HS football is a big deal, and HS coaches do what they need to win. Since the QB touches the ball each play, and since the coach often selects the best athlete to play QB, that means skills dominate in a skills rich state like LA, and that the QB relies on his running skills too much. It is ok to some extent, but it is overdone across the board in LS HS football. Sure, it happens in other states as well, and sure there are some exceptions, but LA has a systematic culture of not wiring the brains of young QB's in a way that allows them to handle the SEC field vision needed. That tuck-and-run habits is so entrenched that it carries over to college, and it especially carries over if your head coach loves running the ball and is conservative and is likely to be telling his QB to avoid turnovers at all costs.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:23 am to Football_Freak
Wont matter we have no one to coach him!
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