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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias

Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:36 pm to
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:36 pm to
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I performed a t test comparing the penalties called on LSU and Alabama during the regular season over the ten years from 2003 to 2012. I took the data of penalties each game from the official LSU and Alabama sites. Over this period each team played 118 games.

LSU's penalties per year goes like this: 89, 73, 74, 76, 76, 104, 74, 91, 67, 89.
Alabama's penalties per year: 48, 48, 63, 63, 48, 55, 70, 70, 66, 69.

LSU's average penalties per game is 6.8898.
Alabama's average penalties per game is 5.0847.

Using the t test comparing all the games, I get a p value of 0.0001! This means that there is certainly a difference between the penalties of these two teams. The important question is why?

I see two possible explanations.
1. Alabama is a more disciplined team. I find this to be highly unlikely as they would have to be more disciplined consistently of over a ten year period which included multiple different coaches on each team, including one coach who coached at both schools!
2. There is a bias for Alabama. This is much more likely. It would not take a conspiracy, just the subtle bias that is a result of the current structure of the SEC head offices. Also seems likely when we look at the other areas where Alabama seems to have created an advantage for itself.



Posted by Maize&BlueTiger
Chahlston, y'all.
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:38 pm to
How does the comparison work when it's 'Bama vs. Auburn. Or Tennessee. Or Mississippi State? Is it a pro-Bama bias or an anti-LSU bias?

Your data is insufficient to justify any conclusion.
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13069 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:41 pm to
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jrodLSUke


Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
41813 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:44 pm to
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This suggests that we aren't as disciplined and play more aggressive football. Which, contrary to your belief, is actually more likely than a bias towards alabama.


So why did Saban coached LSU teams commit much more penalties than the ones at Bama?

I know a Bama fan would say "He's a better coach here than he was there".

It does raise eyebrows
Posted by CalTiger53
California
Member since Oct 2011
9034 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:51 pm to
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Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias


Good morning, where have you been? NO Evidence needed, just use the eyeball test.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12420 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:59 pm to
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NO Evidence needed, just use the eyeball test.


Sorry, but after all the bs last year, i'm not a big fan of the eyeball test.
Posted by ztraveler
metairie, la
Member since Aug 2007
564 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:59 pm to
NO " HOLDING " BY ALABAMA...

If you watch the replay Ala vs Ga. watch # 75 B. Jones...the center...he holds on every play..but is a Pro. at it...he holds for about 5 to 8 seconds and then lets go...when the running back is past him or when the QB throw the ball..

WATCH FOR YOURSELF
Posted by GhostBuster6
Nashville
Member since Jun 2012
1809 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

I performed a t test comparing the penalties called on LSU and Alabama during the regular
Posted by tig3rbai7
br
Member since Aug 2008
269 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:01 pm to
are you in my IE3302 class or something?
Posted by ztraveler
metairie, la
Member since Aug 2007
564 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:01 pm to
SUGGEST MOVING THE SEC OFFICE OUT OF ALABAMA.

MOVE IT TO EACH SCHOOL EVERY TWO YEARS
Posted by ztraveler
metairie, la
Member since Aug 2007
564 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:03 pm to
Does anyone have a list of the SEC Ref's and their home towns????
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15578 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:04 pm to
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Stingray

Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias


Possibly the biggest understatement ever uttered by a living organism since the Big Bang, in this Galaxy or any other. I think it may have even been the 11th Commandment.....
Posted by UncleLogger
Freetown
Member since Jan 2008
2683 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:08 pm to
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Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias

Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12420 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:16 pm to
CptBengal, data should be in your email box.
Posted by lsutigermall
Plantation Trace
Member since Nov 2006
7301 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:30 pm to
Nope
Posted by ztraveler
metairie, la
Member since Aug 2007
564 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:33 pm to
So, when is the rest of the SEC teams going to have enough, with the Alabama Bios???

Texas A&M and Missouri should be warned....

Texas A&M beat Alabama and the Alabama Ref's also
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:33 pm to
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Which, contrary to your belief, is actually more likely than a bias towards alabama.

Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13069 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:34 pm to
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So why did Saban coached LSU teams commit much more penalties than the ones at Bama?

I know a Bama fan would say "He's a better coach here than he was there".

It does raise eyebrows


I'd say it probably has more to do with the players. When Saban was at LSU he was not this godlike figure where everything he said was gold going into the ears of his players.
Les Miles coached teams play with the emotion he puts out, it will lead to more penalties from time to time.
Let us also take injuries into account; how many starters were injured for how many games in those years? How many of those starters were O-Linemen. OL tends to get the most penalties throughout a season with holding/false start being most common.

Using statistics that intentionally prove a point you are trying to make isn't accurate. There are SO many things that go into this, some of which aren't even quantifiable (emotion).
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
12898 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:35 pm to
Love the stats...
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:37 pm to
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OL tends to get the most penalties throughout a season with holding/false start being most common.



Than why didnt bama have any in 09.

Sorry its just not possible.
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