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re: ESPN's Peter Burns-says Pete Maravich would have avg 57 PPG with 3 pt line
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:14 am to Topisawtiger
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:14 am to Topisawtiger
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Best ball handler other than a Globetrotter
Consider this, Pete played at a time when it was required that the entire hand be on the top of the ball when dribbling. Imagine what he could have done had he been allowed to carry the ball as the players of today are allowed.
He was amazing playing withon the rules of the day.
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:17 am to Hermit Crab
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this stat is just complete bullshite made up by dale brown.
Cool life, bro.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:20 am to CaliTigerForLife
Current Steph Curry reminds me of him a little.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:24 am to Grim
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Have you watched steph? Dude is a machine. He is absolutely in the conversation for best marksman ever
He's the only thing that interests me in this era of the NBA.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:25 am to ScrapPack
quote:You've got to be kidding me with this!
Honest question. How would having been guarded by black athletes affected his average?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:28 am to root canal
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57 ppg is BS. That dale brown shot chart quote is BS. The math doesn't work out. He averaged 44ppg. Subtract the 11 ppg that were from the free throw line. So, he averaged 33 ppg from 2-pointers. (16.5 made shots per game.). Like the previous poster said, 13 of those 16.5 made shots per game would have been from behind the arc. Check it.
I love Pistol - read both of the biographies that came out about him a few years ago. I have watched the YouTube video of him giving his Christian testimony in Phoenix, about a year before he died. So, I am not saying that he could not have scored all those points, but in this case the math does not work out.
Everyone is trying to be so precise with this stuff, but you haven't accounted for the fouls from three-point territory that would now result in 3 shots and the possibility of 4 point plays in this little explanation. Also, you're objection simply comes down to you don't think he made 13 three pointers a game. Obviously, none of us have access to Dale's film library, but you just not believing Dale isn't a reason it can't be done.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:30 am to tubucoco
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But Walt "Clyde" Frazier was just known as the quintessential PG back then in his time. I didn't hear anything back then about him supposed to be a great defensive stopper or some shite, so I don't know where you are getting that erroneous arse info from.
He was 7-time All Star AND 7-time first team All-Defensive Team in the 70s. He was the first player to win so many first team (with Havlicek - they each made the award the first 7 years it was handed out), All Defensive, awards, although a number have surpassed him since.
I think he is generally accepted as the best back court defensive player of the 70s and is in the discussion for best defender of the decade, overall (maybe West, Havlicek, Kareem, DeBusschere and Walton in the discussion).
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 8:32 am
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:30 am to tubucoco
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But Walt "Clyde" Frazier was just known as the quintessential PG back then in his time. I didn't hear anything back then about him supposed to be a great defensive stopper or some shite, so I don't know where you are getting that erroneous arse info from.
Walt "Clyde" Frazier was named 1st Team NBA All Defensive Team 7 times in his pro career. That's where I get that erroneous arse info from.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:31 am to DrD
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DrD
Here's an honest question for you. Did you ever see Pistol Pete Maravich play? If so, you would not need to ask such a question. Simply the best offensive college basketball player to ever lace 'em up - IMHO. Was also a great NBA player until the injuries started to take their toll. He was a true wizard w the basketball in his hands.
This to infinity...
The scoring stats do not reflect how amazing he was on the court. If you actually saw him play you would have seen someone that had an almost organic relationship to the ball and the flow of the game.
It was truly sublime.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:32 am to LL7
LL7 - Jinx.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:32 am to klrstix
I want to upvote so bad but its at 57 and that just felt appropiate!
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:38 am to Yammie250F
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I want to upvote so bad but its at 57 and that just felt appropiate!
I will add this... if ESPN existed during The Pistol's college career, you would have seen multiple plays of him on the Top Ten plays every time he was on the court.
Yes... Every time.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:39 am to Ace Midnight
We posted at the same time. Good post by the way!
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:41 am to klrstix
quote:
I want to upvote so bad but its at 57 and that just felt appropiate!
I will add this... if ESPN existed during The Pistol's college career, you would have seen multiple plays of him on the Top Ten plays every time he was on the court.
Yes... Every time.
Well someone just bumped it to 58 so I'm adding mine now!
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:02 am to Mie2cents
give it a rest francis. most people aren't that athletic, blacks included. blacks happen to have some HIGHLY athletic people around the 1/500 or so range.
so you can lay off the racial crap, you aren't remotely close to being an elite athlete.
i wish black people would understand that lebron james or w/e is no more representative of them than j.j. watt or jason williams are representative of white people.
pete was better than larry bird, who also didn't have much trouble with black athletes.
so you can lay off the racial crap, you aren't remotely close to being an elite athlete.
i wish black people would understand that lebron james or w/e is no more representative of them than j.j. watt or jason williams are representative of white people.
pete was better than larry bird, who also didn't have much trouble with black athletes.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:06 am to RightHook
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j.j. watt
Not really a "white person" either. I'm pretty sure he's a bear they shaved down and taught how to play football.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:15 am to Ace Midnight
Why is this news, felt like i heard this 10 or so years ago
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:23 am to therick711
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but you haven't accounted for the fouls from three-point territory that would now result in 3 shots and the possibility of 4 point plays in this little explanation
how often do you see a 4 point play? how often does someone get fouled on a three pointer? maybe 5% of the time? those don't happen often enough to make much of a difference on the math.
Also, how did dale chart out all of the shots without any point of reference on the floor to determine where the actual line would have been? do you think he measured the screen each time Pete took a shot? doubt it.
This is just a number he made up as a homer and it has somehow stuck around this long.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:27 am to josh336
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Why is this news, felt like i heard this 10 or so years ago
Not sure when Dale Brown's analysis was released, but it has been circulating 8 to 10 years, at least.
Maybe it hasn't made its way into the public consciousness on a national level. And it is controversial. Like others have said, it implies that of Maravich's 16 or 17 FGs per game in the record setting year, 7, or roughly 42% would have been trays.
Now - that's certainly possible as he was a deep, outside shooter on many of those shots. But, as we know, a lot of "close" ones are dropped to 2s at the time of the shot for technical reasons. Not having done the analysis myself, shot-by-shot, I take Dale Brown's work at face value. A computerized analysis could probably get us closer. At the end of the day, there is no line on the court, so it is an extrapolation, at best.
It is interesting, though. He clearly has the record anyway. The whole point of going through the exercise of the analysis is that - the record is artificially low because we know that a significant number of his FGs would have scored 3, not 2.
So it maybe isn't news to LSU fans or Maravich fans, but maybe it is news to Peter Burns and causal ESPN fans.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:36 am to TiggerB8t
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think they named a stadium after him immediately after he left without graduating - he was pretty good.
wasn't immediate - sometime in the 80s
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