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Do not like the four guards and Simmons line up
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:50 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:50 am
Hurts on rebounds.
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:51 am to Abe1961
Helps on offense but hurts on the defensive end. With that said its better than Darcy and company.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:53 am to Abe1961
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Do not like the four guards and Simmons line up
Hurts on rebounds.
Victor had 4 fouls.
So your options are having Quartmerman, Hornsby, Blakeny, and Paterson on the floor together
or
having Darcy or Robinson
Playing the extra guard won us the game. Paterson lit it up
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 6:54 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:57 am to TigerBait1127
I think the 4 guard lineup won us the game at Bama and it certainly didn't hurt us in this one.
Our best lineup has 2 forwards with Victor and Simmons in the game, but if Victor or Simmons is in foul trouble I absolutely like our 4 guard lineup before going to Elbert or Darcy. Elbert picked up 2 fouls in less than a minute in the first half when they weren't calling fouls for fun... Think about him in the game in the second half where breathing on a player was a foul...
Every personnel decision has to take into account the alternative, and the 4 guard lineup is necessary IMO when one of our bigs is in foul trouble.
Our best lineup has 2 forwards with Victor and Simmons in the game, but if Victor or Simmons is in foul trouble I absolutely like our 4 guard lineup before going to Elbert or Darcy. Elbert picked up 2 fouls in less than a minute in the first half when they weren't calling fouls for fun... Think about him in the game in the second half where breathing on a player was a foul...
Every personnel decision has to take into account the alternative, and the 4 guard lineup is necessary IMO when one of our bigs is in foul trouble.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:16 am to SouthOfSouth
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I think the 4 guard lineup won us the game at Bama
The 2-3 zone play without victor was executed extremely well.
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Every personnel decision has to take into account the alternative, and the 4 guard lineup is necessary IMO when one of our bigs is in foul trouble.
Exactly. I just want Hornsby on the floor more to close out games. I get that CJJ thinks that our players are better defensively, but he brings experience, leadership, and usually great FT shooting to the end stretches.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:19 am to TigerBait1127
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The 2-3 zone play without victor was executed extremely well.
I was shocked that we didn't go back to the 2-3 zone much when we went to the 4 guard lineup but I guess we didn't worry too much about their big men cause they already had some guys foul out...
I expect to see the 4guard lineup with the 2-3 zone more and more as the season goes on.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:35 am to Abe1961
Well I do not like you. That's our second best line up by far
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:45 am to Abe1961
You're right, it has major disadvantages, but so does the alternative. People need to come to terms with the fact that this team has glaring personnel shortcomings that have to be coached and game planned around. In that respect, Coach Jones is put in a very difficult position. Personally I prefer the small lineup when the other team's personnel package allows it defensively.
Malone, Robinson, and Bridgewater hurt this team if they are out there for extended minutes. If this team had one more competent big it could completely alter the dynamic for the better. It's tragic really. Had Mickey or Martin come back this team's outlook is dramatically different. But for now it is what it is and you have to make compromises.
Malone, Robinson, and Bridgewater hurt this team if they are out there for extended minutes. If this team had one more competent big it could completely alter the dynamic for the better. It's tragic really. Had Mickey or Martin come back this team's outlook is dramatically different. But for now it is what it is and you have to make compromises.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:48 am to Abe1961
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Hurts on rebounds.
Helps with everything else.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:56 am to TigerBait1127
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without victor
All too common theme
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:58 am to Coater
Well until Brenden Dassey, I mean Creig Victor, learns to stop fouling we're gonna see more of that lineup. But seriously between Bridgewater, Robinson, Epps, and Malone we can't field a backup Center. How sad.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:58 am to Abe1961
I loved it
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:59 am to Coater
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without victor
All too common theme
To his defense, probably three of those fouls that were called against him last night were very questionable. They really didn't look like fouls from what I could see on TV. The refs were horrible last night.
That to me seems like the common theme.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:05 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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You are replying to the following post:Posted byMessageHammond Tiger FanDo not like the four guards and Simmons line upquote:without victor
Victor fouls because of his being forced to play center when he is a power forward, and always smaller than the man he guards. He gets little help on defense other than the guards doubling down . We have good size, but they are not quality players.This is where the coaching comes in. Playing zone would maybe help the foul situation, but would hurt the boxing out for boards. Our star players need less coaching than our bigs, and it's obviously what will eventually determine the outcome of our team.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:10 am to cheeser
How about 2-3 zone with Robinson in the middle.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:18 pm to SouthOfSouth
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Our best lineup has 2 forwards with Victor and Simmons in the game, but if Victor or Simmons is in foul trouble I absolutely like our 4 guard lineup before going to Elbert or Darcy.
I definitely agree. The team chemistry just seems to go way down when you get Elbert, Darcy, Epps, and especially combinations thereof in the game. I'd stick to primarily to a seven man rotation and use those guys pretty sparingly. Unfortunately, it seems Sampson has gotten lost in the shuffle too.
One thing that bothers me about the 4 guard lineup is that Simmons still decides to go out to the perimeter and try to put extra pressure on their guards. That's a fine strategy when Victor is in the game for back-up down low. But he really ought to cut that out when we're in the 4 guard lineup. It led to some easy open looks down low or or some easy offensive rebounds for them and I just don't see what good it does.
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