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DEs and O-line
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:12 pm
Miles at the rotary meeting stated that Tashan Bower and Lewis Neal will start at DE. Obviously Lac and Davon will be the tackles. For offense (left OT-right OT) he stated was Hawkins, Pocic, Clapp, Boutte, and Vadal...... Left side of the O-line will be dominate as they prefer. What do you guys think about the lineups?
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:18 pm to 7Tiger7
Dominant on both lines.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:18 pm to 7Tiger7
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For offense (left OT-right OT) he stated was Hawkins, Pocic, Clapp, Boutte, and Vadal
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:26 pm to saint amant steve
Boutte and Vadal are gonna create some huge holes on their side of the line! 
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:40 pm to 7Tiger7
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Miles at the rotary meeting stated that Tashan Bower and Lewis Neal will start at DE.
I thought Bower and Neal both played stronger than their listed weight last year in limited action. Neal played some DT at a listed weight of 255, and I thought he did well for being an undersized DE convert. I haven't seen either on enough passing plays to have a feel for their ability to rush the passer.
If that is the starting O-line, the left side looks great again, but I think the more natural fit for both players would be Alexander at LG, and Pocic at RT. Both have shown they can be dominant run blockers, and playing multiple positions can be very beneficial for them in the long run, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Alexander have some struggles in one-on-one matchups with quick DEs. Of course Gordon will probably get a lot of those matchups, and give Vadal some help.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:56 pm to inadaze
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Of course Gordon will probably get a lot of those matchups, and give Vadal some help.
I didn't go look at the roster,admittedly. But who is Gordon?
Also, Pocic will get his shot at tackle next season if he returns. Typically, the fast DE's play to the left side of the line, so those match-ups would be against Hawkins.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:59 pm to Will2nd
Dillon Gordon. Big TE who is mostly used for blocking
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:09 pm to Will2nd
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I didn't go look at the roster,admittedly. But who is Gordon?
Dillon Gordon
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Typically, the fast DE's play to the left side of the line, so those match-ups would be against Hawkins.
You have a point there, but many teams have multiple quick DEs and/or move their DEs around.
If I were an opposing DC, I would attack Alexander at tackle with speed. I'd probably even slide a LB with rush skills down, and try to get a one-on-one matchup.
I've been consistently puzzled by the Miles' O-line arrangement over the years. Don't you think Alexander is a more natural fit at guard?
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:30 pm to inadaze
He was a tackle as a true freshman and apparently it's his natural position. 
I trust Grimes.
I trust Grimes.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:53 pm to rmnldr
Why is this thread anchored?
Yes, he was, but I don't think it's his natural position. He was listed at 350 during that freshman year, and I always thought that he should have been playing guard. That was in 2012, when Collins was playing LG, and Dworaczyk was at LT. Dworaczyk had a big experience edge (that was his sixth year at LSU), but in terms of ability, I think the better arrangement would have been Collins at LT, Alexander at LG, like last year.
Vadal has lost a lot of weight since 2012, but I still think his more natural fit is at guard. If he plays in the NFL, I think that will be his position. However, as I said, playing outside could help him tremendously in the long run. Based on his play last year, he moves like a guard. I did hear him talk about losing weight at some point during Media Days, so he may be better this year, but if he is getting one-on-one matchups with elite speed/quickness rushers on passing downs, I would consider that a weak spot on the line. (Just for those specific situations. Aside from those potential matchups, I think Vadal is an excellent player.)
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He was a tackle as a true freshman and apparently it's his natural position.
Yes, he was, but I don't think it's his natural position. He was listed at 350 during that freshman year, and I always thought that he should have been playing guard. That was in 2012, when Collins was playing LG, and Dworaczyk was at LT. Dworaczyk had a big experience edge (that was his sixth year at LSU), but in terms of ability, I think the better arrangement would have been Collins at LT, Alexander at LG, like last year.
Vadal has lost a lot of weight since 2012, but I still think his more natural fit is at guard. If he plays in the NFL, I think that will be his position. However, as I said, playing outside could help him tremendously in the long run. Based on his play last year, he moves like a guard. I did hear him talk about losing weight at some point during Media Days, so he may be better this year, but if he is getting one-on-one matchups with elite speed/quickness rushers on passing downs, I would consider that a weak spot on the line. (Just for those specific situations. Aside from those potential matchups, I think Vadal is an excellent player.)
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:57 pm to rmnldr
I think Vadal came back to play right tackle as Hawkins did to play left tackle, just saying but I think they will be fine. I actually like Pocic at guard because of his quick feet and ability to pull.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:22 pm to inadaze
quote:You would defend a Les Miles run-oriented offense with Leonard Fournette in the backfield by trying to put a light DE or OLB over a 300+ lb RT? How many pancakes would it take for you to adjust that scheme? Because if it's less than 3rd and 8, it's probably an automatic audible to the toss dive over right tackle.
If I were an opposing DC, I would attack Alexander at tackle with speed. I'd probably even slide a LB with rush skills down, and try to get a one-on-one matchup.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:40 pm to NotRight37
I don't mean to sound down on Vadal, it's just that pass rush situation that I think could potentially give him trouble. But Boutte and Vadal together on the right side look like an incredibly powerful tandem in the run game.
One other possibility could have been to keep Pocic at center, and Alexander at LG, and move Dillon Gordon to tackle. Gordon is a great blocker at TE, but his chance for a big NFL payday would be at OL. He could still make that transition, but it would be a challenge with no college experience on the line.
One other possibility could have been to keep Pocic at center, and Alexander at LG, and move Dillon Gordon to tackle. Gordon is a great blocker at TE, but his chance for a big NFL payday would be at OL. He could still make that transition, but it would be a challenge with no college experience on the line.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:49 pm to Scoob
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You would defend a Les Miles run-oriented offense with Leonard Fournette in the backfield by trying to put a light DE or OLB over a 300+ lb RT?
Well, I thought I made my point explicitly. One more time -- I'm talking about the PASS RUSH. That's the area where I think Vadal could be vulnerable.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:10 pm to Scoob
I wonder why Clapp is getting the nodd over Dodd at center. Dodd played a few snaps last year and is a little heavier than Clapp also. I guess the coaches know best
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:37 pm to inadaze
IMO no way Gordon moves to G or T in college.... Maybe NFL, but not college. Plus we need him during TE sets and he gives us the best beef upfront while keeping experience and beef at the line.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:55 pm to 7Tiger7
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IMO no way Gordon moves to G or T in college
It doesn't look like it's going to happen, but he certainly could. He's taken on some of the best DEs in the SEC, and won.
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Plus we need him during TE sets and he gives us the best beef upfront while keeping experience and beef at the line.
There would be another benefit of opening up some PT for DeSean Smith and Jacory Washington, maybe getting those guys more involved in the passing game if they're ready to take on that role, but I agree with your overall positive sentiment about Gordon -- he does a great job at TE.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:22 pm to inadaze
Both lines look good, but Vadel scares me at tackle. I hope he is better than what he was his freshman yr there bc he got whooped by clemson some of them were nobody's
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:27 pm to Blktiger
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Vadel scares me at tackle.
I think Vadal will be a good tackle if that's where he stays. I wouldn't say that he scares me, but quick-twitch pass rushers will be a challenge without help.
Side note on Vadal -- he overcame Guillain-Barre Syndrome in high school.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:45 pm to Blktiger
I think it's a safe bet to assume that any SR just might be a little better than when he was a TR FR.
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