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Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:23 am to DieHeartTigah
Outstanding for Hunter. Always had the talent but was never taught basic rush moves from Haley. Was definition of raw when he got to Vikings
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:20 am to DieHeartTigah
He got another against Dallas. Sitting at 9.5
Chavis's scheme wasn't the issue at all. Mingo and Montgomery combined for close to 40 sacks under his scheme in 2 years. The issue was Brick Haley. Brick Haley was a joke at Dline coach, Hunter had absolutely zero technique here when rushing the passer.
Chavis's scheme wasn't the issue at all. Mingo and Montgomery combined for close to 40 sacks under his scheme in 2 years. The issue was Brick Haley. Brick Haley was a joke at Dline coach, Hunter had absolutely zero technique here when rushing the passer.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:37 am to Solo Cam
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Mingo and Montgomery combined for close to 40 sacks under his scheme in 2 years.
and were both coached their entire 4 yr college careers by
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Brick Haley
IIRC, Sam was even supposed to be really raw outta HS, not having played football much early in life.
so that said, was Brick really that bad? did we underestimate the impact of guys like Joe Robinson and McGaughey who coached DLine in addition special teams?
serious questions, if anyone has any insight.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:41 am to DieHeartTigah
If he was lined up in front of Doug Free, not impressed.
jk Hunter has been a grown arse man for years.
jk Hunter has been a grown arse man for years.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:49 am to DieHeartTigah
He's going to have a great NFL career it seems. Happy for him.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:22 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Yeah the people that say Hunter wasnt great here dont realize there is more to playing de than sacks.
Ill take 70 tackles and 4 sacks over 9 sacks and 35-40 tackles.
There is definitely more to playin DE than sacks, and stopping the run matters.
But, to value tackles more than sacks is asinine. Sacks kill drives, change momentum, affect your chances to win the game. Tackles happen on almost every play and some of them can occur 5+ yards downfield- which isn't even a good play. Tackles as a measurement of how good you are as a defender can be extremely misleading as not every tackle is a good play.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:26 pm to Tigerfan56
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But, to value tackles more than sacks is asinine.
No its not. Do you wanna guess how many de get 70 tackles?
Now look and see how many de get 8 sacks.
Tackles at any dline position are great.
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affect your chances to win the game.
Ha ha ha. Yeah JJ watt's team is just racking up wins during his tenure. Just calling sacks game changing is bullshite.
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Tackles happen on almost every play and some of them can occur 5+ yards downfield-
Again, it's far more rare to have a de with 70 tackles than a de with 8-9 sacks. Are you fricking kidding?
70 tackles at de is far more productive than 8 sacks.
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Tackles as a measurement of how good you are as a defender can be extremely misleading as not every tackle is a good play
Just like sacks arent the measurement for a great de.
Like i said 70 tackles and 1.5 sacks is being far more productive than 9 sacks and 30 tackles. Easily.
You act like tackles at the dline position are just as valuable as tackles from lb or safety. They arent. If they were youd always see de with 70 tackles.
Also, Hunter also had 13tfl so lets no act like a de was makkng all his tackles 5 yards down the field. He had more tfl than every year but one of Clowney's years. He also had 6 PD.
True junior year
74 tackles 1.5 sacks 13tfl 6PD 1FF 1FR
This stat line at de is extremely productive and anyone that says it isnt doesnt understand football. Period
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:43 pm to Rickdaddy4188
tackle stats are pretty much useless without context. He was solid but to just say he made 70 tackles doesnt mean much without any context. His pass rush impact was terrible for someone with his talent. That is all anyone is saying.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:52 pm to Lester Earl
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tackle stats are pretty much useless without contex
Not at a dline position . tackles on the dline are always valuable. They mean your 1st level of defense is making the tackle.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:54 pm to Lester Earl
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His pass rush impact was terrible for someone with his talen
He had more impact with 70 tackles and 13 tfl 6 pass break ups than he would with half of those stats and 8 sacks.
I said i wouldve like to have seen his sacks numbers go up but his talent wasnt wasted. A de with 70+ tackles is being far more productive than a de with 8 sacks and 30 tackles.
But i agree he should've had more sacks. I just refuse to call him a wasted talent.
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