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CFB's 10 best secondaries of the 2000s; '11 LSU comes in 2nd
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:46 pm
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Length, size, and athleticism and Mathieu's persona made LSU's secondary a national sensation as the Tigers completed the seemingly impossible task of going 13-0 out of the SEC West. The highlight was out-defensing one of Saban's best teams in Tuscaloosa. Of course, things came apart as they were blown out in their rematch.
Alpha dog: Claiborne was named SEC Defensive Player of the Year and drew more scout buzz, but Mathieu was invited to New York as a Heisman finalist. "The Honey Badger" played boundary corner, nickel and free safety and had six forced fumbles as a ferocious 180-pounder. Mathieu returned two punts for touchdowns and was prominently involved in almost every LSU victory.
Overall a nice statement. But they could have mentioned Ron Brooks.
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:50 pm to JBeam
I'm not sure why they don't put 2010's in there. All the same cast of characters plus Patrick Peterson.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:51 pm to JBeam
Eric Reid was pretty dominant for us as well. That INT he stole in the end zone for the Bama game 
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:04 pm to therick711
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not sure why they don't put 2010's in there. All the same cast of characters plus Patrick Peterson.
Agreed.
But that's how sports are. The MVP is always on the contenders team.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:23 pm to therick711
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I'm not sure why they don't put 2010's in there. All the same cast of characters plus Patrick Peterson.
Agreed. 2003 should get honorable mention as well.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:38 pm to RANDY44
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Agreed. 2003 should get honorable mention as well.
'11>>'10>>'03
While '03 was a good secondary. I wouldn't put it ahead of any of the defensive units listed [Not even the HM of '13 Mich St.]
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:44 pm to therick711
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I'm not sure why they don't put 2010's in there. All the same cast of characters plus Patrick Peterson
Not really...
Karnell Hatcher started 11 games at safety in 2010, and Jai Eugene started early on back there as well IIRC. We didn't have anyone lock down a starting spot at safety and rotated a lot back there.
And same cast doesn't = same playing time or impact. TM and Reid were true freshman, and TM saw time in sub packages but Reid didn't have a fixed role. He saw a series here and there and played when players got hurt.
In 2011, everyone was a year older and more improved. And we had more of a permanent group back there as well. Reid and Taylor were permanent starters back there at safety, TM was on the field every play and not just in sub packages. And you had Simon who would come in during sub packages and TM would bump down inside to the nickel. And all Simon did was lead LSU in PBUs with 10, just 1 of 4 players in SEC to have double digits in PBUs. And had 12 passes defended which led LSU as well and was 6th in the SEC in that category. And he was our CB3 that year. That's ridiculous.
But 2010 was still great as well,no doubt about that.. And that list isn't really that good except for #1 through #3. The rest of it is kinda blah.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:52 pm to JBeam
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The highlight was out-defensing one of Saban's best teams in Tuscaloosa. Of course, things came apart as they were blown out in their rematch.
In the national championship game things didn't "come apart" for the defense. It was not their best game, but they actually played fairly well. They didn't give up a TD until the 4th quarter when they were exhausted from being on the field all night after 3 and outs......over and over. The offensive ineptness is what "came apart".
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:56 pm to Billder
hard to argue with #1 on that list
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:56 pm to JBeam
Dre Kirkpatrick wasn't a 3rd rounder.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 5:05 pm to JBeam
quote:Hmmm . . .
1. 2001 Miami
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The Canes would often roll with as many as seven DBs in passing situations, making it impossible to find passing windows.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 5:30 pm to KG5989
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And same cast doesn't = same playing time or impact. TM and Reid were true freshman, and TM saw time in sub packages but Reid didn't have a fixed role. He saw a series here and there and played when players got hurt.
Patrick Peterson in 2010 is more than enough to offset rolling the other guys back a year and a weaker safety. You get to replace Tharold Simon with a DOPY candidate in his own right and a pretty decorated guy. The rest of the defense wasn't as good, but the secondary was as good or better.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 5:38 pm to therick711
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but the secondary was as good or better.
This is simply not true. MO claiborne got burned a lot early in that year. Watch the NC game again.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 5:48 pm to tlsu15
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This is simply not true. MO claiborne got burned a lot early in that year. Watch the NC game again.
Well, I guess someone will have to tell 2010 that even though they gave up less passing yards per game than 2011, that their secondary wasn't as good. Would be an interesting conversation.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 5:52 pm to therick711
They didn't play as good of offenses as Oregon and WVU. The WVU game really skews the numbers I think.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 5:55 pm to tlsu15
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They didn't play as good of offenses as Oregon and WVU. The WVU game really skews the numbers I think.
They played who they played. They had slightly better numbers, that's all I can tell you. Also, the 2010 SEC (top to bottom) was much stronger than the 2011 SEC. Take of all that what you will.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 5:59 pm to therick711
I agree the SEC was better in 2010 vs 2011, but numbers don't tell the whole story. TM7, Eric Reid, and Mo Claiborne were all much better players in 11 than 10. I think that offsets the loss of PP7.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 6:28 pm to tlsu15
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r. Watch the NC game again.
Reid and Mathieu were true freshman in their first game and the first game of the season.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 6:52 pm to JBeam
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Of course, things came apart as they were blown out in their rematch.
I'm sick of hearing this. While we played like complete shite and had zero chance of winning that day, we were certainly not dominated or blown out by any means. Alabama couldn't score either until long after the team had quit.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 7:01 pm to DallasTiger11
quote:Splitting hairs at this point. We didn't show up that night. Plain and simple.
I'm sick of hearing this. While we played like complete shite and had zero chance of winning that day, we were certainly not dominated or blown out by any means. Alabama couldn't score either until long after the team had quit.
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