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re: CBS Preseason Basketball rankings
Posted on 10/13/15 at 12:34 pm to LSUButt
Posted on 10/13/15 at 12:34 pm to LSUButt
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I've gotten in so many arguments defending Jones. The guy isn't Phil Jackson, but he's not bad. Everyone thinks Calipari is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but really he just recruits great. Each year LSU gets better. Our recruiting has gotten better and we are putting more people in the draft. People bash CJJ about EVERYTHING, but he has consistently improved and improved our team.
I feel like LSU basketball "fans" were in a coma the entire Trent Johnson era. That guy made john brady seem like dale carnegie as far as charisma and dean smith from a coaching standpoint. I'm 23 but I've never seen LSU basketball so lifeless. No recruiting news, no promoting the program, weak assistants, and did he try and recruit any instate guys that didn't go to Country Day?
Also the SECR just loves to hate on Jones' body of work, but it's pretty convenient to overlook he accomplished things UNT never had in a 100 years. He brought in one big class, and the rest was history.
There are better x's and o's coaches than Jones we could have gotten, but that doesn't mean they would be a good fit. I like to point to Rich Rod at michigan for an example. Plus our fans are wildly obsessed with "LSU guys" leading our teams, and when we finally get one Joe Alleva "caved to the good ole boys"
eta: In my opinion he's our hugh freeze. this is his dream job, and despite his flaws he's going to succeed here.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 12:35 pm
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Posted on 10/13/15 at 12:44 pm to St Jean The Baptiste
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Seems about right. This isn't a Top 25 team, but it's not far off either.
Go away please.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 12:47 pm to LSUButt
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I've gotten in so many arguments defending Jones. The guy isn't Phil Jackson, but he's not bad. Everyone thinks Calipari is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but really he just recruits great. Each year LSU gets better. Our recruiting has gotten better and we are putting more people in the draft. People bash CJJ about EVERYTHING, but he has consistently improved and improved our team.
Yeah, I wouldn't even bother on this site. You're dealing with a bunch of bandwagon (at best) basketball fans who know next to nothing about basketball. They just use basketball season as a time waster until their beloved baseball season.
Because LSU hoops doesn't make the Final Four every year, they want to call for Jones' head, even though the cupboard was bare when he got here.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 12:56 pm to Circle K Beggar
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Yeah, I wouldn't even bother on this site. You're dealing with a bunch of bandwagon (at best) basketball fans who know next to nothing about basketball. They just use basketball season as a time waster until their beloved baseball season.
Because LSU hoops doesn't make the Final Four every year, they want to call for Jones' head, even though the cupboard was bare when he got here.
Yeah, I've realized the only fans worse than the scoreboard posters are LSU basketball experts. They completely lack perspective on how far we've come, and the fact it's okay to be happy with where we're at but still want to keep building. They think we're "settling for mediocrity" with where we're at right now
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:08 pm to beardedzeus
Like it or not, that ranking is a reflection of the national media's opinion of Johnny Jones as a head coach. Read every national article, see every national opinion, they all agree (fair or unfair) that LSU significantly underachieved under Jones last season. Especially in light of the fact that he had 2 players on last year's team taken within the top 33 picks of the NBA draft. The only other teams that could say that (UK, Duke, Wisc., AZ, Louisville) all had significantly better seasons than LSU. Whether Jones is or is not a good basketball coach is subject to opinion. However, the raw numbers will show that he has never won a regular season conf. title or NCAA Tournament game in his 15 years as a head coach.
Even though this publication has LSU ranked #38 to start the year, it really doesn't matter. LSU and Jones will have the opportunity to prove the perception about them as a program and HC wrong this season. I don't get into lofty national expectations, but this team is talented enough to, at minimum, compete for the SEC title this year, if not win it outright. If there are doubters of Jones and LSU, here's his/their chance to prove everyone wrong
Even though this publication has LSU ranked #38 to start the year, it really doesn't matter. LSU and Jones will have the opportunity to prove the perception about them as a program and HC wrong this season. I don't get into lofty national expectations, but this team is talented enough to, at minimum, compete for the SEC title this year, if not win it outright. If there are doubters of Jones and LSU, here's his/their chance to prove everyone wrong
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:15 pm to Alt26
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Like it or not, that ranking is a reflection of the national media's opinion of Johnny Jones as a head coach. Read every national article, see every national opinion, they all agree (fair or unfair) that LSU significantly underachieved under Jones last season
If you thought LSU was built for a preseason Sweet 16 run last season, then I don't even know where to begin. And why is it so difficult to acknowledge that Mickey was hurt all of conference play? Oh, and with that said, we were a colossal meltdown that was out of Jones' hands away from still probably making the sweet 16.
Saying LSU was on equal footing to Duke, UL, Wisconsin, and Arizona because of two very good players is bs. All of those schools top to bottom were far deeper, far more talented, and more veteran.
I agree with you that this is a tremendous opportunity for Coach Jones to prove a lot of people wrong, but where I strongly disagree with you is mentioning us as equals to those other schools you listed. Surely you can distinguish us from them on a talent and depth standpoint.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:20 pm to beardedzeus
again, an obsession with silly polls. They're meaningless, even moreso in basketball than football. A bunch of people voting. What do I care if some idiots think we're better or worse than another team??? Pay them no mind.
The only thing I care about is winning our OOC games and trying to win the SEC (regular season and/or SEC touney). And impressing the committee, which is the only group of people whose opinions matter.
Polls - I don't care about them at all.
The only thing I care about is winning our OOC games and trying to win the SEC (regular season and/or SEC touney). And impressing the committee, which is the only group of people whose opinions matter.
Polls - I don't care about them at all.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:26 pm to DollaChoppa
I would be happy with something around #20
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:30 pm to tigerbait2010
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If you thought LSU was built for a preseason Sweet 16 run last season, then I don't even know where to begin. And why is it so difficult to acknowledge that Mickey was hurt all of conference play? Oh, and with that said, we were a colossal meltdown that was out of Jones' hands away from still probably making the sweet 16.
Saying LSU was on equal footing to Duke, UL, Wisconsin, and Arizona because of two very good players is bs. All of those schools top to bottom were far deeper, far more talented, and more veteran.
Look, I'm simply just stating what the national opinion is of Jones and the reasons for that opinion, not that I necessarily agree or disagree. Should LSU have made it to the Sweet 16 last year? Maybe, maybe not. But the NCAAT can be such a crapshoot that it's difficult to judge a coach solely on his performance in that setting. I certainly wouldn't say Jay Wright is bad coach just because Villanova didn't make it out of the first weekend last year.
Nonetheless, Jones and LSU under him are going to continue to get little respect until they generate some significant on court success. That's just the way it is. I don't really care what LSU is ranked to begin the season, if they are ranked at all. It doesn't matter. Jones may never have a more talented team than he has this season. Now's the chance to show everyone who may think he is a bad coach that they are wrong.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:38 pm to Alt26
They gon learn today...they gon learn
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:42 pm to Alt26
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Look, I'm simply just stating what the national opinion is of Jones and the reasons for that opinion, not that I necessarily agree or disagree. Should LSU have made it to the Sweet 16 last year? Maybe, maybe not. But the NCAAT can be such a crapshoot that it's difficult to judge a coach solely on his performance in that setting. I certainly wouldn't say Jay Wright is bad coach just because Villanova didn't make it out of the first weekend last year.
Completely agree. I'm really nervous how pivotal making a nice tournament run will be for us to keep the momentum going and capitlize what looks like some loaded 2017 and 2018 instate classes (along with shaq's son and the 2018 Monterverde kid). But you're right, great teams that are well coached get upset every single tournament, so it's so unpredictable it's difficult to "expect" a sweet 16 and even farther.
I dread even more at how fans would react as they seemingly have no concept of just how much parity there is in march madness.
For me being so defensive derives from just having no depth last season. It just seemed like LSU always looked pretty well coached and ready to play in big games, but just couldn't maintain that intensity level against, say Auburn, when you've got 4 guys playing all game, including our second best player inured.
Now that LSU has depth for the first time under Coach Jones I think it's fair to expect no more than 1-2 bad losses. 1 will inevitably happen (see Kansas and Texas Tech last season). Then again 1-2 more could also happen with the new lineups being solidified.
Not to mention it's frustrating how ridiculous of expectations the media had for LSU. I just don't know what else they'd expect 3 years into what was a very big rebuilding project. I don't see them crapping on Frank Martin or Mike Anderson
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:59 pm to Alt26
quote:I don't like a lot of what Jones does as a coach, but he isn't a complete moron and this team should have a pre-season ranking between 20 and 25 at worst. The team has a nice blend of returning players and incoming exceptional talent. A&M and Vandy are 10 spots ahead of LSU? Not on paper, not by a longshot.
Like it or not, that ranking is a reflection of the national media's opinion of Johnny Jones as a head coach. Read every national article, see every national opinion, they all agree (fair or unfair) that LSU significantly underachieved under Jones last season. Especially in light of the fact that he had 2 players on last year's team taken within the top 33 picks of the NBA draft. The only other teams that could say that (UK, Duke, Wisc., AZ, Louisville) all had significantly better seasons than LSU. Whether Jones is or is not a good basketball coach is subject to opinion. However, the raw numbers will show that he has never won a regular season conf. title or NCAA Tournament game in his 15 years as a head coach.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:00 pm to SouthOfSouth
didn't even mention Hornsby in the blurb; not legit
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:54 pm to mmcgrath
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A&M and Vandy are 10 spots ahead of LSU? Not on paper, not by a longshot.
A&M returns their 2 best players from a team that finished tied with LSU last year in the SEC. They are also bringing in a top-10 Freshman class
Vandy got red hot late last year with a young team. They return virtually everyone.
Should they be ranked significantly higher than LSU? I don't know. (I definitely don't think Vandy should) But again, it goes to show you just how low an opinion the national media has of Jones as a coach.
All of that lack of respect can be erased though this year. LSU has experience and outstanding young talent in an SEC with no juggernaut team this year like '12 & '15 Kentucky or '14 Florida. Barring significant injuries, the SEC is LSU's for the taking. IMO we find out this year if Jones is the coach that can take the LSU program to great heights or if he's just a guy who is a good recruiter, but someone who will never be able to produce results on the court. Predicting a National Championship or Final Four is silly. But "next year" is here for LSU.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 3:31 pm to SouthOfSouth
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Not worried. Give us a few weeks and we will open eyes.
Agreed. Still a lot of people that just don't know what kind of talent Simmons possesses. The Tigers will be loaded at guard obviously, will have one of the best forwards in the nation(possibly the best)and can throw a couple of 7-footers at certain teams. Not to mention Mr. Victor will be an instant contributor when he cranks up. My guess is that by January, the Tigers will crack the top 15.
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