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re: CBS "experts" predictions for the season
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:21 pm to Baloo
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:21 pm to Baloo
Bama losses in bold:
LT - Cam Robinson
LG - Arie Kouandjio
C - Ryan Kelly
RG - Leon Brown
RT - Austin Shepherd
TE - Brian Vogler
TE - O.J. Howard
QB - Blake Sims
RB - T.J. Yeldon / Derrick Henry
FB - Jalston Fowler
WR - Amari Cooper
WR - DeAndrew White
WR - Christion Jones
LT - Cam Robinson
LG - Arie Kouandjio
C - Ryan Kelly
RG - Leon Brown
RT - Austin Shepherd
TE - Brian Vogler
TE - O.J. Howard
QB - Blake Sims
RB - T.J. Yeldon / Derrick Henry
FB - Jalston Fowler
WR - Amari Cooper
WR - DeAndrew White
WR - Christion Jones
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 1:57 pm
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:24 pm to monsterballads
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QB - Blake Sims
Missed one.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:26 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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You do realize that both Alabama and Auburn are breaking in new QB's right? Good god we have some idiots on this board.
This statement is so ironic. It really shows how dumb you truly are
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:27 pm to atltiger6487
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True, but both Auburn and Alabama have a recent history of turning new QBs into productive QBs.
This is such bullshite. Cam Newton and Nick Marshall were JUCO QBs.. meaning both had been around collegiate programs for a while. Greg McElroy took his first start as a redshirt junior, AJ McCarron as a redshirt sophomore, and Blake Sims as a redshirt senior.
You're comparing that to Anthony Jennings, who was playing high school football in 2012... and who was throwing to wideouts who were playing high school football in 2013.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:37 pm to Howyouluhdat
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This statement is so ironic. It really shows how dumb you truly are
LMAO at you kid. So far over your head that you honestly don't get it. Good luck this semester.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:45 pm to rmnldr
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Most overrated team: LSU. Show me that the Tigers have a consistent quarterback and then I'll buy into their preseason top 15 rankings. They could be 1-2 by Week 3 after early games at Mississippi State and home vs. Auburn.
This is a fair assessment since they are going off of last season and how it played out at QB.
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Most overrated team: LSU. I don't think the 2014 season was an outlier. The Tigers' struggles are going to continue into 2015 because most of the problems they had one year ago still exist. I don't think LSU is going to just magically heal itself.
Don't really buy into that one.
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Most overrated team: LSU. Les Miles had 10 games against Power Five competition in 2015 and won just one -- vs. Kentucky, at home -- by more than six points. The back seven is beastly, and running back Leonard Fournette's a Heisman Trophy candidate-in-waiting, but until the broken passing game is repaired -- and what evidence do we have it will be? -- this isn't an SEC West contender.
Again, what he stated is true.
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Most overrated team: LSU. I think the Tigers are a top-30 team thanks to a really strong defense, particularly in the back seven, and one of the most punishing rushing attacks led by Fournette and a stout offensive line. But a top-15 team? No sir. The lack of a persistent pass rush last season concerned me even more than quarterback instability. Until the Tigers reaffirm their place as one of the league’s sack leaders and get their passing attack in gear, I’m going to doubt their place in the polls.
Again going off of last year and until proven differently can't argue against it either.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:49 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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Tigerinthehollow
Did you just have a stroke when trying to type that out?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:51 pm to chilge1
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This is such bullshite.
Not bullshite, chilge, just factual.
You say "being around collegiate programs for a while" (even if it's holding a clipboard) is essential for quality QB play. Nonsense.
Of course experience can be helpful, and I'd love it if my QB had a lot of it, but it's not required. And we see examples all the time.
Inexperienced guys can play well immediately, if they have the talent and are coached properly. Hell, neither Marshall nor Sims even began their college career as a QB.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:54 pm to atltiger6487
So you're suggesting that Cam Newton and Nick Marshall were holding clipboards in 2009 and 2012, respectively?.. and you're wrong about Sims, btw.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:58 pm to chilge1
sims began his college career as a running back
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:01 pm to Kirby4life
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We must improve on offense before the narrative will change by so called "experts".
I agree with your entire post. This is the problem I think most have an issue with. While these "experts" give credit to those other programs you mentioned because of past production at developing previous quarterbacks they also fail to look at other factors that will play into those on field performances this season.
What I don't understand is why Cam Cameron gets no credit for 2013 with these "experts" for the improvements in Mett's game. It seems like they want to lump any & all QB issues under the Miles tenure to Cam which is unfair since he only has two seasons under his belt at LSU. One year isn't a big enough sample size to form that type of assumption especially when the results so far have been 50/50.
I think Auburn with Johnson stands the best chance to get good to great production from the position. They others you mentioned face just as many questions as LSU does.
Ole Miss: If Chad Kelly wins out, where will Ole Miss find the balance to make life easier for him in the run game? Will their offensive line finally become an asset? As much praise as Freeze gets, he has failed to make the Rebels a consistent threat on the ground.
Being that one dimensional doesn't win the SEC West.
Georgia: Not only are the Bulldogs going to be trotting a new starting QB but they also have a new OC. Out goes Mike Bobo, in comes Brian Schottenheimer.
Alabama: Not only are the Tide replacing Sims but they are doing so without a talent like Amari Cooper at receiver & bunch of inexperience at that position. It's not hard to find articles highlighting the Tides struggles so far in fall camp. They will probably be a run heavy team because issues like that just don't simply stay behind on the practice field.
These so called "experts" also place a huge amount of weight on QB play yet most of their predictions completely shite on the program that has the most productive & experienced returning QB in Mississippi St. The majority of their predictions have State finishing at the bottom of the division. What sense does that make?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:05 pm to monsterballads
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An exciting athlete who has seen a variety of roles during his time at Alabama ... served as the backup quarterback in 2012 and 2013 ... a high school quarterback who contributed at running back for the Crimson Tide in 2011 ..
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Settled into his role at running back for Alabama in 2011 ..
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ranked as the No. 43 player in Georgia by SuperPrep ... a PrepStar All-American at quarterback ... completed 150-of-254 pass attempts as a senior for 2,288 yards ... threw for 28 touchdowns while carrying the ball 115 times for 863 yards (7.5 per carry) and 13 rushing touchdowns ... totaled 3,736 all-purpose yards and 49 total touchdowns ... threw for 2,785 yards as a junior in 2008 while rushing for 822 yards and 15 scores ..
Sims wasn't anymore a running back than Terrance Magee was a wide receiver.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:16 pm to chilge1
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Then again, crediting these analysts with possessing half a brain might be generous.
But yet if they had LSU as a top 5 team with a shot at the playoffs....YOU would be praising their arse off..............
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:21 pm to dukke v
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But yet if they had LSU as a top 5 team with a shot at the playoffs....YOU would be praising their arse off....
Most rational people would not believe we are a top 5 team entering this season...I don't. We showed nothing at the end of last season that would warrant that high of a rating. However, as several posters have pointed out, we WILL be better this year, have a favorable home schedule, and would appear to have a better QB situation than last year.
If we roll to 3-0....then the talk should begin.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:26 pm to RedTigerRulz
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we WILL be better this year, have a favorable home schedule, and would appear to have a better QB situation than last year.
If we roll to 3-0....then the talk should begin.
I like it... but I consider the source and am confused. Weren't you predicting 8-4 like two months ago?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:34 pm to The Truth 34
sounds about right. will know when they start if their deficiencies have been fixed
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:48 pm to BigBrod81
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One year isn't a big enough sample size to form that type of assumption especially when the results so far have been 50/50.
That is probably exactly what they are thinking as well. The problem is most people(our fan base as well as outsiders)believe Miles has his hand in a lot of the offensive game planning that is why it does not matter who the OC is. As long as Miles is here many believe the offense will be an old school smash mouth boring offense where any QB that knows how to execute a toss dive will thrive in. That's just the way it is.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:49 pm to atltiger6487
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You say "being around collegiate programs for a while" (even if it's holding a clipboard) is essential for quality QB play.
Not holding a clipboard but getting valuable reps on the practice field & developing mentally in the film room/chalkboard is a huge aspect that people like you tend to overlook. Being prepared from a mental & fundamental standpoint has a history of being a positive factor when it comes to the success of inexperienced starting QBs. The talent & experience surrounding them also plays a factor.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:28 pm to BigBrod81
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Not holding a clipboard but getting valuable reps on the practice field & developing mentally in the film room/chalkboard is a huge aspect that people like you tend to overlook. Being prepared from a mental & fundamental standpoint has a history of being a positive factor when it comes to the success of inexperienced starting QBs. The talent & experience surrounding them also plays a factor.
I've never said experience isn't a factor at all. Of course, practice reps, film work, maturity (both physically and emotionally) etc. are useful.
But my argument is that it's not required for quality QB play. Young, inexperienced guys can, and do, step up and play very, very well.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:03 pm to atltiger6487
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But my argument is that it's not required for quality QB play. Young, inexperienced guys can, and do, step up and play very, very well.
It greatly depends on the system. You cannot compare programs with pro style systems against spread programs. The responsibility & knowledge of QB in pro style is greater than those in check with me spread offenses so of course inexperienced quarterbacks would have the ability to be successful earlier in that type of system.
It should tell you just how little preparation is needed to operate Kevin Sumlin's air raid offense knowing that Manziel was lazy & lacked work ethic.
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The biggest on-field concern with Manziel as he moved into the NFL was whether he could master the nuances of a pro system. At Texas A&M, the emphasis was on tempo, calling plays in a hurry and getting to the line to run plays quickly. In the NFL, pre-snap reads, protections and coverages matter more than tempo.
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"The way we talked about him in meetings, the kid never put in the time he needed to -- studying film, organizing workouts, 7-on-7 workouts -- he didn't do it," said one NFC scout with a Southeastern Conference focus. "His thing would be he's going to show up on Saturdays, 'I'm a gamer.' He'd show up for practices and games but that's about it. Johnny thought he was an NFL superstar before he came [into the league]."
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