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Can LSU develop talent?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:43 am
Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:43 am
For everyone who keeps posting that LSU or Les Miles can't develop talent.
LSU
PLAYER TEAM POSITION
Kwon Alexander Tampa Bay Buccaneers Linebacker
Joe Barksdale San Diego Chargers Offensive Tackle
Lamin Barrow Chicago Bears Linebacker
Odell Beckham Jr. New York Giants Wide Receiver
Alfred Blue Houston Texans Running Back
Dwayne Bowe Cleveland Browns Wide Receiver
Delvin Breaux New Orleans Saints Cornerback
Michael Brockers St. Louis Rams Defensive Tackle
Ron Brooks Buffalo Bills Cornerback
Morris Claiborne Dallas Cowboys Cornerback
Jalen Collins Atlanta Falcons Cornerback
La'el Collins Dallas Cowboys Offensive Lineman
Glenn Dorsey San Francisco 49ers Defensive Lineman
Lavar Edwards Buffalo Bills Defensive End
Ego Ferguson Chicago Bears Defensive Lineman
Matt Flynn New Orleans Saints Quarterback
Jeremy Hill Cincinnati Bengals Running Back
Danielle Hunter Minnesota Vikings Defensive End
Tyson Jackson Atlanta Falcons Defensive Tackle
Ricky Jean Francois Washington Redskins Defensive Tackle
Donnie Jones Philadelphia Eagles Punter
Brandon LaFell New England Patriots Wide Receiver
Jarvis Landry Miami Dolphins Wide Receiver
Bennie Logan Philadelphia Eagles Defensive Tackle
Craig Loston Jacksonville Jaguars Safety
Ronald Martin New York Jets Safety
Tyrann Mathieu Arizona Cardinals Safety
Danny McCray Dallas Cowboys Safety
Zach Mettenberger Tennessee Titans Quarterback
Barkevious Mingo Cleveland Browns Linebacker
Kevin Minter Arizona Cardinals Linebacker
Patrick Peterson Arizona Cardinals Cornerback
Rueben Randle New York Giants Wide Receiver
Jermauria Rasco Green Bay Packers Linebacker
Eric Reid San Francisco 49ers Free Safety
Stevan Ridley New York Jets Running Back
Perry Riley Jr. Washington Redskins Linebacker
Russell Shepard Tampa Bay Buccaneers Wide Receiver
Kelvin Sheppard Miami Dolphins Linebacker
Tharold Simon Seattle Seahawks Cornerback
Trai Turner Carolina Panthers Offensive Guard
Spencer Ware Kansas City Chiefs Running Back
Andrew Whitworth Cincinnati Bengals Offensive Tackle
Kyle Williams Buffalo Bills Defensive Tackle
Brad Wing New York Giants Punter
Al Woods Tennessee Titans Defensive Tackle
James Wright Cincinnati Bengals Wide Receiver
Please stop making yourself look stupid.
LSU
PLAYER TEAM POSITION
Kwon Alexander Tampa Bay Buccaneers Linebacker
Joe Barksdale San Diego Chargers Offensive Tackle
Lamin Barrow Chicago Bears Linebacker
Odell Beckham Jr. New York Giants Wide Receiver
Alfred Blue Houston Texans Running Back
Dwayne Bowe Cleveland Browns Wide Receiver
Delvin Breaux New Orleans Saints Cornerback
Michael Brockers St. Louis Rams Defensive Tackle
Ron Brooks Buffalo Bills Cornerback
Morris Claiborne Dallas Cowboys Cornerback
Jalen Collins Atlanta Falcons Cornerback
La'el Collins Dallas Cowboys Offensive Lineman
Glenn Dorsey San Francisco 49ers Defensive Lineman
Lavar Edwards Buffalo Bills Defensive End
Ego Ferguson Chicago Bears Defensive Lineman
Matt Flynn New Orleans Saints Quarterback
Jeremy Hill Cincinnati Bengals Running Back
Danielle Hunter Minnesota Vikings Defensive End
Tyson Jackson Atlanta Falcons Defensive Tackle
Ricky Jean Francois Washington Redskins Defensive Tackle
Donnie Jones Philadelphia Eagles Punter
Brandon LaFell New England Patriots Wide Receiver
Jarvis Landry Miami Dolphins Wide Receiver
Bennie Logan Philadelphia Eagles Defensive Tackle
Craig Loston Jacksonville Jaguars Safety
Ronald Martin New York Jets Safety
Tyrann Mathieu Arizona Cardinals Safety
Danny McCray Dallas Cowboys Safety
Zach Mettenberger Tennessee Titans Quarterback
Barkevious Mingo Cleveland Browns Linebacker
Kevin Minter Arizona Cardinals Linebacker
Patrick Peterson Arizona Cardinals Cornerback
Rueben Randle New York Giants Wide Receiver
Jermauria Rasco Green Bay Packers Linebacker
Eric Reid San Francisco 49ers Free Safety
Stevan Ridley New York Jets Running Back
Perry Riley Jr. Washington Redskins Linebacker
Russell Shepard Tampa Bay Buccaneers Wide Receiver
Kelvin Sheppard Miami Dolphins Linebacker
Tharold Simon Seattle Seahawks Cornerback
Trai Turner Carolina Panthers Offensive Guard
Spencer Ware Kansas City Chiefs Running Back
Andrew Whitworth Cincinnati Bengals Offensive Tackle
Kyle Williams Buffalo Bills Defensive Tackle
Brad Wing New York Giants Punter
Al Woods Tennessee Titans Defensive Tackle
James Wright Cincinnati Bengals Wide Receiver
Please stop making yourself look stupid.
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:44 am to Bone06
Then why are we sucking?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:45 am to Bone06
quote:
Can LSU develop talent?
Not when they're at LSU. The NFL usually takes care of that after we're done underutilizing them.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:46 am to Bone06
Can you develop a thread that hasn't been started like 20 times over the last 2 weeks
Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:49 am to Bone06
who says LSU can't develop talent?
usually it's the qb position questioned..
any ways, those guys having success at the next level like they are just goes to show they are underachieving here.. we are underachieving greatly.. 1 sec championship in 8 years?
usually it's the qb position questioned..
any ways, those guys having success at the next level like they are just goes to show they are underachieving here.. we are underachieving greatly.. 1 sec championship in 8 years?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:52 am to HamBone14
quote:
Not when they're at LSU. The NFL usually takes care of that after we're done underutilizing them.
Then why aren't any of the schools who supposedly develop all of this talent sending their guys to the NFL? I mean Florida, Oklahoma, Ohio St., and several other schools get just as much talent out of high school as LSU, but none of them send as many to the NFL as LSU. If you look back at the recruiting classes LSU is always up there but so are a bunch of other schools who have a lot less players in the NFL.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:59 am to beauchristopher
quote:
who says LSU can't develop talent? usually it's the qb position questioned.. any ways, those guys having success at the next level like they are just goes to show they are underachieving here.. we are underachieving greatly.. 1 sec championship in 8 years?
There is a big difference in developing talent and game planning. I'm not saying they are great at that. When you look at some of these threads and reply's from people saying " I can't blame a kid for not wanting to go to LSU they can't develop talent" or " I don't see how LSU gets all of these big time wide receivers when they can't develop talent " it's dumb.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:00 am to Bone06
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For everyone who keeps posting that LSU or Les Miles can't develop talent.
Do you think people are so stupid as not to know LSU has more players in the NFL than any other program?
Two facts destroy the gem you think you have:
1) LSU's astonishing lack of hardware and major bowls/playoffs since 2011 while having all this talent.
2) The Minnesota Vikings' defensive coaches being amazed at how little technique a talented pass rusher like Danielle Hunter had coming out of LSU. A little coaching-up and he's now a good NFL defensive end.
quote:
Please stop making yourself look stupid.
No one else is.
On the other hand, I have a question:
Do you take Stupid Pills, or does it come naturally to you?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:02 am to SabiDojo
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Then why are we sucking?
We are not "sucking". But you do understand the difference between developing talent and having a "complete team", right?
I think it is more to do with our recruiting. It's inconsistent, even though "highly rated". We recruit some great DB's, receivers, rb's, etc. However we will go two classes and only pick up one or 2 LB's. Then we get 5 LB's only to not pick up but 2 OL.
Then throw in that we switch Coordinators which can lead to changes in schemes.... which can lead to having the wrong types of players to run that scheme.
Ultimately this is Miles' fault. I think it can be corrected, but to say we "SUCK".... us just your opinion. 8-3 teams are not sucky teams, but they are missing the all the parts to be great.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:03 am to Bone06
quote:
Then why aren't any of the schools who supposedly develop all of this talent sending their guys to the NFL? I
The NFL--like the NBA--drafts players based on potential and raw talent, not necessarily college results and statistics.
Once again, Danielle Hunter is a case in point.
LSU recruits a ton of talent--they have trouble coaching them up. Hence, we are probably the best recruiting "pretty good" program in college football history.
Once again ... it's like taking candy from a baby.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:08 am to Bone06
It's amazing that we can have so much NFL talent but lose 10 SEC games in 3 years.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:08 am to timlan2057
Similar to how the college basketball game is different than the NBA, we have that same relationship with the NFL and NCAAF. Some players may excel in college and not in the pros and vice versa. One does not necessarily translate back and forth to the other.
Edit: In some instances it does, but not always.
Edit: In some instances it does, but not always.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 8:09 am
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:09 am to timlan2057
quote:
Do you think people are so stupid as not to know LSU has more players in the NFL than any other program? Two facts destroy the gem you think you have: 1) LSU's astonishing lack of hardware and major bowls/playoffs since 2011 while having all this talent. 2) The Minnesota Vikings' defensive coaches being amazed at how little technique a talented pass rusher like Danielle Hunter had coming out of LSU. A little coaching-up and he's now a good NFL defensive end.
Again I will ask, why don't the other schools who's recruiting classes are just as good have more players in the NFL?
Developing a kid doesn't mean just teaching technique. In college it's more about character and work ethic. Technique can be taught anytime.
I'm not saying they have the best game plans or teach great technique but the numbers prove they develop more talent than any other school.
I love when people are to smart to realize they are stupid.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:14 am to HamBone14
quote:
Can LSU develop talent?
Not when they're at LSU. The NFL usually takes care of that after we're done underutilizing them.
You don't get to the NFL if you're that far behind on development, especially in the numbers we've put in
quote:
. A little coaching-up and he's now a good NFL defensive end
He's a rotational defensive end, like he was projected to be. Plenty of players at plenty of programs that were as physically superior like him struggle to learn the game. He was inactive the first half of the season too
How about ODB and Jarvis Landry? Their route running was near elite on day 1 in the NFL.
What about Jeremy Hill?
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 8:23 am
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:18 am to Bone06
Pretty sure the issue is developing QB's
Oh and not utilizing that talent and winning titles
Oh and not utilizing that talent and winning titles
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:18 am to PennyPacker
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I think it is more to do with our recruiting. It's inconsistent, even though "highly rated". We recruit some great DB's, receivers, rb's, etc. However we will go two classes and only pick up one or 2 LB's. Then we get 5 LB's only to not pick up but 2 OL.
Have you ever noticed the preseason accolades our offensive line gets every year? And then what happens? They start getting their shite pushed in.
It's weird because they underperform here against quality opponents but then flourish in the NFL.
Are we developing them here? To a certain degree, of course. It seems we are better at developing NFL players than college players, though. It sounds ridiculous, but you see it on the field.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:20 am to TigerBait1127
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You don't get to the NFL if you're that far behind on development, especially in the numbers we've put in
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"As soon as we drafted him, I made a cut-up of every single rush he had at LSU," the Vikings' defensive line coach said. "I had him come to my office, and I said, 'I want you to explain to me what you were being taught to do.' So we're sitting there, and he's explaining to me how they were teaching him to rush. Well, you run [a 40-yard dash in] 4.5 [seconds]. But you take off on the snap of the ball, and you run wide. Now, the offensive tackle just kicks back and waits on you. You might as well be running 4.9, 5-flat. And number two, I don't think he was exposed to how the offensive lineman was trying to pass protect against him. He was just out there, using his athleticism and trying to make something happen. The first thing I wanted to do was find out what he knew and why I was seeing what I was seeing."
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:24 am to SabiDojo
Chavis had different roles for his defensive ends. Hunter would have been best served as a situational pass rusher, but we lacked depth at DE. It's a reason we were so dominant against many spread teams
Also, you can't take a sample of 1 and make statements about the entire population.
Also, you can't take a sample of 1 and make statements about the entire population.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 8:26 am
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:24 am to Bone06
Only 2 QBs on that list and 1 was a transfer
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:25 am to TigerBait1127
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Chavis had different roles for his defensive ends.
Eh...okay
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Also, you can't take a sample of 1 and make statements about the entire population.
It's also not irrelevant.
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