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Can a referee out there help me?
Posted on 11/12/16 at 6:38 am
Posted on 11/12/16 at 6:38 am
I noticed what looks like a loophole in a rule during the Alabama game last Saturday when Bama faced 3rd & 10 trying to milk the clock. The previous play on second down was a run play that gained 0 yards. On 3rd down Cam (the traitor) jumps offsides causing a 3rd & 15. But then I noticed when the ball was placed the official started the game clock immediatedly. With only 4min left in game and no LSU timeouts remaining, couldn't Bama just continue to repeat this penalty until time expires?
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Posted on 11/12/16 at 6:57 am to champj3
I thought the exact same thing. Made me think it was done purposely. Smart
Posted on 11/12/16 at 7:30 am to champj3
The same thing happened again down by the goal line. I think Bama had 3rd and goal. They called a timeout. Following the timeout, they were called for another false start. Yardage was marked off, and the game clock was started again.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 8:13 am to champj3
Starting the Clock Near the End of a Half
The rules give the referee broad authority in stopping and starting the game clock or the play clock if he feels that a team is manipulating the clock to gain an advantage. Near the end of a half, the clock rules become increasingly important.
Under most circumstances, if the game clock is stopped because of a penalty, it starts when the referee gives the "ready-for-play" signal after completing the penalty. This year, the committee passed a rule that takes effect inside two minutes in the half. This new rule requires that the clock be started on the snap if the team ahead in the score commits a foul. Under the current rule, the clock would be started on the ready-for-play signal, allowing the fouling team the chance to gain a time advantage by running perhaps 20 or more seconds off the game clock. The new rule prevents this.
The rules give the referee broad authority in stopping and starting the game clock or the play clock if he feels that a team is manipulating the clock to gain an advantage. Near the end of a half, the clock rules become increasingly important.
Under most circumstances, if the game clock is stopped because of a penalty, it starts when the referee gives the "ready-for-play" signal after completing the penalty. This year, the committee passed a rule that takes effect inside two minutes in the half. This new rule requires that the clock be started on the snap if the team ahead in the score commits a foul. Under the current rule, the clock would be started on the ready-for-play signal, allowing the fouling team the chance to gain a time advantage by running perhaps 20 or more seconds off the game clock. The new rule prevents this.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 8:38 am to champj3
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With only 4min left in game and no LSU timeouts remaining, couldn't Bama just continue to repeat this penalty until time expires?
It's happened 3 times on that drive. 3. 3. 3.
They ran off an extra 120 seconds as a result. I mentioned this at the game.
The last one was on purpose. Play for the FG.....go up 10....game over. Milk 40 more seconds in the process. It was smart.
Clock management at its highest level
This post was edited on 11/12/16 at 8:40 am
Posted on 11/12/16 at 9:02 am to champj3
You will probably get a ton of down votes because most of the rantards on here won't read your thread and will automatically group your post in the bulk of whining threads about the Bama loss. Take the downvotes with a grain of salt.
It's a good observation. I haven't re-watched the game. And I was too numb by the end of the game to notice that this happened. I would be interested to take a second look tho. Not because we can overturn the outcome, or accuse Bama of cheating, but because it's an exploit that should be completely corrected (not just corrected in the last two mins of each half).
It's a good observation. I haven't re-watched the game. And I was too numb by the end of the game to notice that this happened. I would be interested to take a second look tho. Not because we can overturn the outcome, or accuse Bama of cheating, but because it's an exploit that should be completely corrected (not just corrected in the last two mins of each half).
Posted on 11/12/16 at 9:10 am to champj3
Based on my many years as a referee, what I see is a classic case of move on and stop dwelling on it.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 9:20 am to Areddishfish
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what I see is a classic case of move on and stop dwelling on it.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 9:50 am to champj3
They do it to keep the offense from jumping intentionally stopping the clock.
And if the defense does it, they run the clock immediately
The gap here is the offense is actually trying to waste time.
It's a simple call and refs should be allowed to adjust and stop the clock.
Lets say your tied and a team is at your 1 yd line with 1 minute left. Offense can use this, run the clock, and still have a short fg to leave you with no time.
And if the defense does it, they run the clock immediately
The gap here is the offense is actually trying to waste time.
It's a simple call and refs should be allowed to adjust and stop the clock.
Lets say your tied and a team is at your 1 yd line with 1 minute left. Offense can use this, run the clock, and still have a short fg to leave you with no time.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 10:29 am to StorminFree
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The same thing happened again down by the goal line. I think Bama had 3rd and goal. They called a timeout. Following the timeout, they were called for another false start. Yardage was marked off, and the game clock was started again.
Following a time out the game clock should not start until the next play is snapped no matter what happens in between.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 11:15 am to tigersbb
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Following a time out the game clock should not start until the next play is snapped no matter what happens in between.
this is the way it used to be before the rules got so fricking complicated that things can actually be manipulated. for example in the aggie vs bama game the aggie got flagged for targeting and the bama asshat did not. same fricking penalty and designed to protect the players. just selective enforcement.
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