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re: Bottom Line: You want to compete for championships you better have a QB
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:11 pm to 15forHeisman
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:11 pm to 15forHeisman
I made a list of QBs whose decisions "created this mess" as per the OP'S request. Nothing more.
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:13 pm to DrD
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This is the MAIN reason we are not getting the recognition we deserve for being a potential title contender (possibly a GREAT team) this season.
Why do you feel we need recognition? I always thought it was about actually playing the game--not what some reporter or magazine says.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:13 pm to TNTigerman
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I don't care what he's done in the past. 5 losses in a season with our talent is inexcusable.
LOL, you must be intelligent.
We finished the season starting
- 5 True Freshmen
- 7 Sophomore's
Inexcusable would be if we had a QB with experience along with multiple other positions with the same thing...EXPERIENCE.
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With no chance of a redshirt for BH, it is truly mind-boggling that he kept putting Jennings out there game after game without even giving Harris a series.
Didn't realize you coached football. You must be one of the fans that BOOS AJ when he trots out onto the field after a pitiful game, right?
CLM isn't crazy, if he started AJ over Harris, it has to be because of something he knows that we don't. Maybe Harris has trouble reading defense's and being able to adapt on the go? Who knows? We don't.
If you honestly think a man coaching the LSU Tigers football team, with millions of people watching his every move on the sideline on TV would keep Brandon Harris out because he felt like it, youre nuts.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:19 pm to tadelatt
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5 losses in a season with our talent is inexcusable.
What happened with Auburn, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, A&M...they all lost a bunch of games too. They all seem to be talented squads.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:21 pm to DanglingFury
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What happened with Auburn, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, A&M...they all lost a bunch of games too. They all seem to be talented squads.
Retarded Lsu fans continue to throw out the ignorant meme that LSU has more "talent" than all other teams for some reason when facts don't back that up.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:27 pm to BeeFense5
Since 2009, LSU has finished with the 1, 7, 7, 14, 6, 2, 5th ranked recruiting classes per 247. I would say we underachieved, don't you?
Not to mention the multiple NFL starters from a year ago.
The facts do back it up.
Not to mention the multiple NFL starters from a year ago.
The facts do back it up.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:31 pm to DrD
If your Full Back can gain four yards running the Foot Ball on every play from the Line of Scrimmage, you will win the Foot Ball game.
There is no need to utilize the risky Forward Pass.
There is no need to utilize the new-fangled Quarter Back position. Simply hike the Foot Ball directly to your Full Back in your Wing T formation.
Army won many games like this before 1913, which is the year that Knute Rockne's boys from Notre Dame utilized the tricky Forward Pass to beat Army.
However, I agree with Coach Miles that this Forward Pass "fad" will not last for a long time.
If your Wing T offense stalls, utilize a Drop Kick on Third Down to get yourself better Field Position.
There is no need to utilize the risky Forward Pass.
There is no need to utilize the new-fangled Quarter Back position. Simply hike the Foot Ball directly to your Full Back in your Wing T formation.
Army won many games like this before 1913, which is the year that Knute Rockne's boys from Notre Dame utilized the tricky Forward Pass to beat Army.
However, I agree with Coach Miles that this Forward Pass "fad" will not last for a long time.
If your Wing T offense stalls, utilize a Drop Kick on Third Down to get yourself better Field Position.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:33 pm to JaxTiger10
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quote: and a poor Qb What? Both of our qbs in 2011 posted higher qb ratings than Flynn in 07.
This is a stupid point, often made on here. Our defense in 2011 completely made our offense. It broke the other team's morale. Every time we punted, we'd get the ball right back, or we'd score on a defensive turnover or a return. That was a mediocre offense at every position except running back and wide receiver.
Look at the last two games before the bowl. Our offense couldn't do shite. Those games were worse than the BCS game until Mathieu started housing punt returns; then the other team quit, and our running game started working.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Alabama has proven time and time again that we can't beat them with a strong defense and running game. When a great or even good defense on the other side stacks the line with players, there is no run game good enough to break through that. You have to loosen them up with passes, screen plays, draw plays, end arounds, trick plays. Otherwise we wind up like we did in the 2011 SEC game against Georgia with no first downs in the first half and none in the second for quite a while. Yes we won that game going away because of Honey Badger's kick return and some great defense and finally breaking some running backs loose but it was a close thing.
But it was just a prediction of what was to come in the title game against Alabama. Happened many times after that also. Even when we had Mettenberg, Les would not throw when we needed to. Like the Alabama game when just one more first down would have locked it for us and we went conservative again.
But it was just a prediction of what was to come in the title game against Alabama. Happened many times after that also. Even when we had Mettenberg, Les would not throw when we needed to. Like the Alabama game when just one more first down would have locked it for us and we went conservative again.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:21 pm to evangelfan
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How are we "loaded" without legitimate pass rushers?
because we return 8 out of 11 to the #1 SEC defense? plus Valentine and Arden Key with Coach O to boost the pass rush. Not to mention Dwayne Thomas will be back as a probable starter. KTII will be a "second string" option that will do more than most #1 SEC cbs.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:30 pm to Football_Freak
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2011- Honey Badger
He was the reason why we went undefeated. His value to the team was immeasurable. He was a lightning rod that energized the team, and stadium. It's ashame he didn't get to finish his career (in the right way) here
We have two losses in 2011 if not for him, IMO.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:43 pm to tadelatt
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If you honestly think a man coaching the LSU Tigers football team, with millions of people watching his every move on the sideline on TV would keep Brandon Harris out because he felt like it, youre nuts.
Never said that and don't think that. What I fear is that Miles doesn't realize (1) how bad Jennings is and (2) he's not going to get any better. I don't have to be a coach to understand how impotent Jennings is. To paraphrase what someone else said earlier tonight: "... having AJ as the QB cripples the offense".
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:23 am to The Pirate King
this is not meant to be a serious statistical analysis...
the average recruiting class rank since 2009, using your numbers, is 6.167.
the average final rank for the team over that same span is 13.34.
while i won't disagree that there is a difference between both average rankings, i would say that comparing them 1-for-1 isn't really the best benchmark. it's apples for oranges. there are two guys who were part of our recruiting classes that could've been all-american, but never actually played (zach lee and akiem hicks). had they been subtracted from the total, our recruiting ranks could've dropped noticeably for their classes.
the average recruiting class rank since 2009, using your numbers, is 6.167.
the average final rank for the team over that same span is 13.34.
while i won't disagree that there is a difference between both average rankings, i would say that comparing them 1-for-1 isn't really the best benchmark. it's apples for oranges. there are two guys who were part of our recruiting classes that could've been all-american, but never actually played (zach lee and akiem hicks). had they been subtracted from the total, our recruiting ranks could've dropped noticeably for their classes.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:32 am to Tom Bronco
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Alabama has proven time and time again that we can't beat them with a strong defense and running game. When a great or even good defense on the other side stacks the line with players, there is no run game good enough to break through that.
bullshite. in 2010, we beat them in tuscaloosa with a strong D and running game. in 2011, we lost to them at home on a third and chavis, but took it to the waning seconds of the 4th because of our strong D and running game. this year, we lost to them by one possession in overtime, having relied upon our strong D and running game to get us there. the chasm between bama and LSU is not what you make it out to be. we have the same talent levels, no matter what the recruiting services tell you, and we've had the same ground and pound coaching philosophy as them. now, kiffin's got them running more spread, which is a scheme that we've traditionally defended well. and we're going to be defending it with one of their former D coaches. i feel pretty good about where we're at. we just have to beat them this year and then we can spend next offseason not being obsessed with bama.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:35 am to Football_Freak
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2011 made some think otherwise. We had an NFL caliber defense and the playmaker of the decade, and a poor Qb, and we still had one of the best regular seasons in college football history, and also won the SEC.
But short of the NFL defense and Honey Badger, we would not have had either the best season nor the SEC championship. It was the rare exception to the "you have to have a good QB" thesis.
am I misreading your poast?
the 2011 season couldn't be a more perfect season to use to prove OPs theory correct.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:41 am to tadelatt
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Didn't realize you coached football. You must be one of the fans that BOOS AJ when he trots out onto the field after a pitiful game, right?
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believe it or not, not every person who thinks Jennings sucks, feels the nee to express it by booing him or leaving him death threats on social media. as a matter of fact, that is a small minority of people.
the majority of us just continue to watch and palm > face after losing to a team with QB struggles who had no qualms about starting a guy who didnt start a game all season because "what did they have to lose?"
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:31 am to Football_Freak
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This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 1:45 am
Posted on 2/17/15 at 6:24 am to BeeFense5
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Retarded Lsu fans continue to throw out the ignorant meme that LSU has more "talent" than all other teams for some reason when facts don't back that up.
And retarded NFL GM's continue to spend draft picks on LSU's not superior talent in the draft every year? That was just an ingnant statement man, we absolutely out class 99% of the rest of the college football world in terms of talent.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 6:57 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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You don't need a qb to win championships.
What?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 7:49 am to DrD
Sometimes I think that Les gets all caught up with these athletic manimals who look awesome in practice but get exposed as sub-par passers with serious confidence issues in real games.
Mett, for instance, had the most confidence that I've ever seen at the NCAA level which was a perfect fit with the most trustworthy WR duo in the nation that year. Imagine how badly those two WRs would have been underutilized with a guy like JJ at QB for their Jr seasons.
Even with great recs that year Mett delivered many great passes that got dropped but he constantly delivered those balls and the catches came. You need that level of play from the starting QBs of top SEC teams like LSU. Even though I love Miles as LSUs coach, he needs to field top passers at that position or the offense will never reach its potential. LSU already has one of the top 5 backfields in the nation to rush the ball, the QB OBVIOUSLY needs to be able to maximize the production of one of the top WR groups in the nation.
Mett, for instance, had the most confidence that I've ever seen at the NCAA level which was a perfect fit with the most trustworthy WR duo in the nation that year. Imagine how badly those two WRs would have been underutilized with a guy like JJ at QB for their Jr seasons.
Even with great recs that year Mett delivered many great passes that got dropped but he constantly delivered those balls and the catches came. You need that level of play from the starting QBs of top SEC teams like LSU. Even though I love Miles as LSUs coach, he needs to field top passers at that position or the offense will never reach its potential. LSU already has one of the top 5 backfields in the nation to rush the ball, the QB OBVIOUSLY needs to be able to maximize the production of one of the top WR groups in the nation.
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