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Bama aside, Can someone explain the diff b/w a 7 yard pass and 7 yard run?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:00 am
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:00 am
Really break it down. Curious minds would like to know.
Follow up question at the bottom:
Below is a list of SEC teams that have more passing attempts and passing yards than
LSU.
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Florida
Kentucky
Tennessee
Georgia
South Carolina
Auburn
Vanderbilt
Missouri
How is it possible that LSU has a better record or beat, better ranking and scores more points per game than everyone one on the list?
Got my down vote bucket ready.
Follow up question at the bottom:
Below is a list of SEC teams that have more passing attempts and passing yards than
LSU.
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Florida
Kentucky
Tennessee
Georgia
South Carolina
Auburn
Vanderbilt
Missouri
How is it possible that LSU has a better record or beat, better ranking and scores more points per game than everyone one on the list?
Got my down vote bucket ready.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:03 am to MrSpock
LF7 gets Heisman points for a 7-yd run.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:08 am to MrSpock
I won't speak for everyone, but I actually prefer our style of offense. The only problem is that we so seldom pass (and apparently so seldom practice passing) that when we meet a defense that's well tooled to stunt our offense, we're in no position to make adjustments and shift to a passing attack. I mean we have no functioning short passing game this year. That's a step back from even the better performances of JJ and Lee. So when Bama stunts the the run, we basically still just smash into them helplessly while occasionally chucking the ball up for a big gain.
Even if we practice more passing, it's clear that you actually have to do it in games to nurture some kind of timing, rhythm, and proficiency.
Even if we practice more passing, it's clear that you actually have to do it in games to nurture some kind of timing, rhythm, and proficiency.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:15 am to mjv1011
Miles was an offensive lineman...he never knew what went on behind him...
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:39 am to Navytiger74
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I mean we have no functioning short passing game this year.
THIS. And one more thing. On the second play of the game for LSU's offense, Harris rolled out and threw and incomplete pass, but he could have easily run for the first down. More plays with Harris planned run options, would have spread Bama defense wide open.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:45 am to Navytiger74
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I won't speak for everyone, but I actually prefer our style of offense.
I agree.
However, when it's time to pass, players HAVE to execute! 6 completions on 19 attempts is super sub-par. And on the coaching side, when we need to throw...sprinkle in varying distances! Trying to bomb it every time we throw is ridiculous.
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On the second play of the game for LSU's offense, Harris rolled out and threw and incomplete pass, but he could have easily run for the first down.
It seems like high school athletes these days have a small understanding of the game. On their high school team, it's just backyard ball.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 8:48 am
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:55 am to MrSpock
The advantage in being able to throw a 7 yard pass with consistent proficiency is that it keeps the defense off-balance and guessing. Generally speaking, YPA is going to be higher than YPC in football by probably about 1 yard for a balanced football team. If you are a more run-heavy team like we are, you focus on that, but not at the expense of true balance. That way, when you go against a team like Bama, you are able to show a variety of looks and exploit some of the implicit advantages offense has over defense in football. It's not that complicated.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:08 am to MrSpock
Does have consequences for time of position. Clock stops incomplete. Agree we must be able to pass to stop pressure at line of scrimmage and keep defense honest. Definitely need a balance. And, as Darrel Royal said " 3 things can happen when you pass and two of them are bad"
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:08 am to xGeauxLSUx
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.sprinkle in varying distances! Trying to bomb it every time we throw is ridiculous.
Actually, the distance of passes was fairly varied. We only seemed to complete the deep ones, though.
Worst passes:
1. Badly missed wide open LF7 on a circle route
2. Threw interception to the edge
3. Threw the ball about halfway to Dural on a curl
I'm sure others can add more. It's almost like Harris tries to fire the ball too hard on those routes and ends up squeezing the ball, resulting in erratic passes.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:09 am to Navytiger74
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The only problem is that we so seldom pass
Actually, there was almost a 50/50 split in called passes versus called runs.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:11 am to Navytiger74
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I won't speak for everyone, but I actually prefer our style of offense. The only problem is that we so seldom pass (and apparently so seldom practice passing) that when we meet a defense that's well tooled to stunt our offense, we're in no position to make adjustments and shift to a passing attack. I mean we have no functioning short passing game this year. That's a step back from even the better performances of JJ and Lee. So when Bama stunts the the run, we basically still just smash into them helplessly while occasionally chucking the ball up for a big gain.
Even if we practice more passing, it's clear that you actually have to do it in games to nurture some kind of timing, rhythm, and proficiency.
I have zero problem with LSU being a run-first offense. Especially with Fournette in the backfield. My issue is with just the sheer lack of any creativity in the passing game. Of course I could be wrong, but it genuinely feels like LSU has only 8-12 passing plays. They may run them with different WR groups occasionally, but it's basically the same routes. LSU seems to rarely use formations or motion to create favorable matchups for their receivers.
The frustration comes from the fact that they have a damn good group of WRs. Dupree could be an all-SEC player. Dural can blow by defenders, but on the few opportunities he's had, he's shown he's not a bad run-after-catch option. Diarse is very good with the ball in space. Sometimes I forget Desean Smith exists. Guice could be a matchup nightmare for Linebackers to cover. Why not scheme ways to get these guys open outside of just the relatively few formations LSU employs?
You see it with other teams. Last season EVERYONE knew Bama wanted to get the ball to Cooper. Yet they moved him all over the field to create favorable match ups for him. ND does the same thing with Fuller this year. Why can't LSU? Outside of the first game against MSU, when has LSU hit a pass where the WR was running wide-open? There's no reason they can't get a bit creative. Under Miles, the passing game is simply asking their WR to beat the defender one-on-one, that's it.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:12 am to MrSpock
One has been done pretty consistent before Saturday, when the other team knew the plays; and packages, and knew they were trying to win a Heisman, instead of the game.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:16 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:Harris also one hopped a chute route to LF7 in the flat that would have given us a big gain of about 15 yards or so, maybe more with LF7's elite agility
I'm sure others can add more. It's almost like Harris tries to fire the ball too hard on those routes and ends up squeezing the ball, resulting in erratic passes.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:22 am to Navytiger74
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I won't speak for everyone, but I actually prefer our style of offense
well then you prefer to limit our chances for beating the best teams that have equal or better talent than us.
You prefer limiting our chances to get to the SEC championship and the playoffs.
You prefer an offense that only works against teams that we have superior talent to, which is most of our schedule but not all of it, and even then sometimes doesn't work against even inferior teams.
you prefer an offense that worked better in a prior era of football
you prefer a style and philosophy of offense that NFL teams don't even have anymore
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:22 am to Alt26
quote:and we don't have a QB that can consistently get them the ball.
The frustration comes from the fact that they have a damn good group of WRs
quote:What do you consider wide open? There have been a few instances this year where our wide receiver has had 2-3 steps on the DB and Harris either under threw him, forcing him to come back to the ball and subsequently, the DB, or Harris didn't see the wide open receiver because he was locked in else where.
Why can't LSU? Outside of the first game against MSU, when has LSU hit a pass where the WR was running wide-open?
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Under Miles, the passing game is simply asking their WR to beat the defender one-on-one, that's it.
thats what football is. a combination of 1 on 1 match ups. There is no play that's going to magically get someone open, and the only reason wide outs get wide open is a break down in coverage or one player just out playing(faster, good breaks, good moves of the line, etc) the defender.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:43 am to Navytiger74
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Navytiger74
I agree with you, I like our style of offense as well. I think the difference this year against Bama was that they sold out against the run AND we didn't attempt many short passes, middle screens, etc. We have those plays in our playbook and we've used them a lot with Zach Mettenberger. Our Oline IS talented but young. Bama's front 7 took it to them and they didn't respond. I'd really like to see a rematch in the CFP
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:45 am to MrSpock
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Can someone explain the diff b/w a 7 yard pass and 7 yard run?
Well for one, Harris can not complete a 7 yd pass with any kind of consistency.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:49 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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It's almost like Harris tries to fire the ball too hard
I've been saying this for weeks.
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