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As a Program Where do We Go From Here...........?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:28 pm
At this point, I'm not blaming Anthony Jennings, the coaching staff, the personal foul penalty, etc. When it comes down to it, Alabama understands what it takes to win a championship. They understand when they need to get a key stop or a key drive to win a ball game. We're not there yet. Honestly, I'm not sure how we get there. I'm not a coach so I don't know how that mindset is instilled. Clearly, Alabama has it and we don't.
These last four losses to them have shown us they know how to dominate us, and they also know how to win in the clutch against us. THAT is not an accident. We should've won last night AND we should've won the game in 2012. Both times the gameplan.........regardless of the criticism........was sound enough to win. Yet, we are unable to seal the deal and they put together key drives in the last minute that are the difference in the game. Two years ago I attributed it to having AJ McCarron as their QB. But after watching Sims do the EXACT SAME THING.....after having had a horrible game to that point.......lets me know this is no longer a coincidence.
I'm not saying we'll never beat Alabama again while Saban is there. But it definitely FEELS that way.
Last night as I watched this game at a sportsbar with a local alumni group, I watched grown men leap with sheer joy when Yeldon fumbled that ball near the goal line. In a matter of less than 15 minutes, those same grown men were literally on the verge of tears (which I'm not sure is too healthy in the first place) watching Alabama miraculously pull that game out in OT.
I wonder how emotionally invested our fanbase will be in this game next season, or if we should be? I think emotionally, this took a lot out of them. I'm not sure they have much else to give. I think they'll be enthusiastic. But I also feel that most of them will be apprehensive to get their hopes up for a win. We'll see. Right now, we are a deflated fanbase.
We can complain about the quarterback, Chavis' defense, Cameron's offense, Miles' philosophy, etc. But realistically do we envision, as good as we KNOW this team will be next year and in 2016, winning SEC and Nat'l Championships? Or do we think that Bama will always prevent us from ever reaching that goal again? I wonder.........................
These last four losses to them have shown us they know how to dominate us, and they also know how to win in the clutch against us. THAT is not an accident. We should've won last night AND we should've won the game in 2012. Both times the gameplan.........regardless of the criticism........was sound enough to win. Yet, we are unable to seal the deal and they put together key drives in the last minute that are the difference in the game. Two years ago I attributed it to having AJ McCarron as their QB. But after watching Sims do the EXACT SAME THING.....after having had a horrible game to that point.......lets me know this is no longer a coincidence.
I'm not saying we'll never beat Alabama again while Saban is there. But it definitely FEELS that way.
Last night as I watched this game at a sportsbar with a local alumni group, I watched grown men leap with sheer joy when Yeldon fumbled that ball near the goal line. In a matter of less than 15 minutes, those same grown men were literally on the verge of tears (which I'm not sure is too healthy in the first place) watching Alabama miraculously pull that game out in OT.
I wonder how emotionally invested our fanbase will be in this game next season, or if we should be? I think emotionally, this took a lot out of them. I'm not sure they have much else to give. I think they'll be enthusiastic. But I also feel that most of them will be apprehensive to get their hopes up for a win. We'll see. Right now, we are a deflated fanbase.
We can complain about the quarterback, Chavis' defense, Cameron's offense, Miles' philosophy, etc. But realistically do we envision, as good as we KNOW this team will be next year and in 2016, winning SEC and Nat'l Championships? Or do we think that Bama will always prevent us from ever reaching that goal again? I wonder.........................
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:32 pm to lsualum96
You have to have a balanced offense to win games. We learned that last night. Even with a great defensive performance, we still lost because we cannot throw the ball. Our running backs are so good that we can still run the ball even though the other team knows what's coming.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:34 pm to lsualum96
We develop our QBs on roster.
Recruit a great QB
Implement incremental changes to offensive strategy without losing overall identity.
I don't say it is as much of BAMA preventing anything as much as it is us preventing ourselves.
I think our coaches need to re-scheme some things.
This may be me, but I think LSU should hire a staff member who is a QB guru solely devoted to the QBs, and let Cameron worry more about play calling than QB development. I think Adam Henry needs to step up his game.
Recruit a great QB
Implement incremental changes to offensive strategy without losing overall identity.
I don't say it is as much of BAMA preventing anything as much as it is us preventing ourselves.
I think our coaches need to re-scheme some things.
This may be me, but I think LSU should hire a staff member who is a QB guru solely devoted to the QBs, and let Cameron worry more about play calling than QB development. I think Adam Henry needs to step up his game.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:35 pm to lsualum96
We were in no way dominated. The talent is very comparable. Sometimes games just don't go your way.
My only problem with this season is not working in Brandon harris more into the game. Everyone knows he is the most talented.
My only problem with this season is not working in Brandon harris more into the game. Everyone knows he is the most talented.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:38 pm to lsualum96
Seriously....I hope Michigan considers all of his characteristics ones that they cannot miss on.But be realistic, they would offer him 3 million per year, but offer Harbaugh 6 million.
I don't know or care what the buyout is.
We are not fricked, with Miles, but we aren't what we will ever want to be. The guys that support him today are silently wishing he'd walk away. It was fun, and he was a mess; and dammit, he was our mess, and we loved him for it.
But his on-camera grass eating didn't quite do it this time.
We have been the better talented team, but still can't seem to put it together.
I love LSU, and I love Miles, but I don't have to like him.
It's time to ditch the guy that plays for ten wins, while we are still winning ten games.
Miles can hand the next new coach the keys to a shiny new Porsche now, or Alleva will in three years hand the keys of a nice fuel efficient sedan that 90% of the college football world still covets.
But we are LSU where we want to be in the 98%. What's the difference between 90% and 98%? Lots. You saw it last night.....a coach whom is engaged....he has his coaches make his offense practice the fact that they will have to snap the ball in a moment's notice to prevent a reception review.
There are coaches that know how to squeeze every bit of juice out of an orange.....ours isn't one of them.
I don't know or care what the buyout is.
We are not fricked, with Miles, but we aren't what we will ever want to be. The guys that support him today are silently wishing he'd walk away. It was fun, and he was a mess; and dammit, he was our mess, and we loved him for it.
But his on-camera grass eating didn't quite do it this time.
We have been the better talented team, but still can't seem to put it together.
I love LSU, and I love Miles, but I don't have to like him.
It's time to ditch the guy that plays for ten wins, while we are still winning ten games.
Miles can hand the next new coach the keys to a shiny new Porsche now, or Alleva will in three years hand the keys of a nice fuel efficient sedan that 90% of the college football world still covets.
But we are LSU where we want to be in the 98%. What's the difference between 90% and 98%? Lots. You saw it last night.....a coach whom is engaged....he has his coaches make his offense practice the fact that they will have to snap the ball in a moment's notice to prevent a reception review.
There are coaches that know how to squeeze every bit of juice out of an orange.....ours isn't one of them.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:38 pm to lsualum96
We will never beat Bama again...ever. Catastrophe syndrome at its finest. 
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:38 pm to jheine2
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Everyone knows he is the most talented.
I am supposing that by everyone you mean the coaching staff too? Or just you and your beer buddies?
Now if you mean the coaching staff, they why aren't they playing the best player? Maybe, just maybe they are doing that just to piss you off?
Now if by everybody you mean and your beer buddies then.............
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:38 pm to TunaTime
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You have to have a balanced offense to win games. We learned that last night. Even with a great defensive performance, we still lost because we cannot throw the ball. Our running backs are so good that we can still run the ball even though the other team knows what's coming.
I agree with that to a degree. Over the course of a season, yes your offense should be balanced. But our gameplan last night for THAT particular team was good enough to win. Sometimes you win games without balance. Heck, we dominated time of possession and many other statistics. So, I'm not sure that not being balanced is why we lost. I really believe we lost because Alabama is a more composed PROGRAM that we are, when it comes to big games.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:55 pm to lsualum96
Yes our gameplan was good enough to win, but is "good enough to win" what we want? With a balanced offense, I am confident that we would have won the game last night in regulation by at least a touchdown. We pounded the ball all night on Alabama when they knew that that's exactly what we were going to do. Just think if we had the "element of surprise": passing.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:55 pm to dstone12
quote:
Seriously....I hope Michigan considers all of his characteristics ones that they cannot miss on. But be realistic, they would offer him 3 million per year, but offer Harbaugh 6 million.
I don't know or care what the buyout is.
We are not fricked, with Miles, but we aren't what we will ever want to be. The guys that support him today are silently wishing he'd walk away. It was fun, and he was a mess; and dammit, he was our mess, and we loved him for it.
But his on-camera grass eating didn't quite do it this time.
We have been the better talented team, but still can't seem to put it together.
I love LSU, and I love Miles, but I don't have to like him.
It's time to ditch the guy that plays for ten wins, while we are still winning ten games.
Miles can hand the next new coach the keys to a shiny new Porsche now, or Alleva will in three years hand the keys of a nice fuel efficient sedan that 90% of the college football world still covets.
But we are LSU where we want to be in the 98%. What's the difference between 90% and 98%? Lots. You saw it last night.....a coach whom is engaged....he has his coaches make his offense practice the fact that they will have to snap the ball in a moment's notice to prevent a reception review.
There are coaches that know how to squeeze every bit of juice out of an orange.....ours isn't one of them.
Not to mention that we got manhandled by two other coaches with actual offensive creativity and WAAAAAY less time to develop any kind of team in the SEC. The writing is on the wall, and for those of us that don't have terrible, terrible foresight, we saw it quite some time ago.
And for those miles supporters that will attack you with the question, "okay, you tell us who you want."
Tell them to frick off. You really think saban was the hire that got LSU fans' adrenaline pumping? We certainly said that he would be good here. But we were so happy to un-dinardo ourselves. and the next coach won't either....but he also won't be the one that stifles our talent like he does.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:06 pm to lsualum96
quote:You could stop there. Because clearly the Alabama coaches do understand. Recently as just a few years ago, the LSU coaches once knew, but seem to now be clueless.
When it comes down to it, Alabama understands what it takes to win a championship. They understand when they need to get a key stop or a key drive to win a ball game. We're not there yet. Honestly, I'm not sure how we get there.
quote:What you just said here is I think one of the keys to how come Alabama wins and LSU doesn't. Sealing the deal is not something that just happens by accident. It's part of the overall gameplan, the overall psyche of coach and team. But while this seems to be in the Saban-coached Bama's DNA, it is rarely something seen under more current Les Miles coached LSU teams. The Tigers often struggle with lesser opponents, and a valid criticism has been for some time that they let the other team hang around too long. I think this is part of a Les Miles tragic blind spot that refuses to see the obvious. One TD is not a comfortable lead in the SEC. 10 points is not a safe lead in the SEC. Two touchdowns is not a place to sit on the lead when you're playing an Ole Miss or Alabama or even Arkansas; the SEC is too explosive. What LSU doesn't do that Alabama and other strong teams do (or try to do) is build that lead as early and make it as high a wall as possible.
These last four losses to them have shown us they know how to dominate us, and they also know how to win in the clutch against us. THAT is not an accident. We should've won last night AND we should've won the game in 2012. Both times the gameplan.........regardless of the criticism........was sound enough to win. Yet, we are unable to seal the deal and they put together key drives in the last minute that are the difference in the game.
Until Les Miles either realizes this and changes and sets his offense free and seriously develops it according to his best QB's skills, or else retires, LSU will be an also-ran in the SEC West, no longer even second to Alabama... third or 4th or worse.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:16 pm to JawjaTigah
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What you just said here is I think one of the keys to how come Alabama wins and LSU doesn't. Sealing the deal is not something that just happens by accident. It's part of the overall gameplan, the overall psyche of coach and team. But while this seems to be in the Saban-coached Bama's DNA, it is rarely something seen under more current Les Miles coached LSU teams. The Tigers often struggle with lesser opponents, and a valid criticism has been for some time that they let the other team hang around too long. I think this is part of a Les Miles tragic blind spot that refuses to see the obvious. One TD is not a comfortable lead in the SEC. 10 points is not a safe lead in the SEC. Two touchdowns is not a place to sit on the lead when you're playing an Ole Miss or Alabama or even Arkansas; the SEC is too explosive. What LSU doesn't do that Alabama and other strong teams do (or try to do) is build that lead as early and make it as high a wall as possible.
Until Les Miles either realizes this and changes and sets his offense free and seriously develops it according to his best QB's skills, or else retires, LSU will be an also-ran in the SEC West, no longer even second to Alabama... third or 4th or worse.
While I don't agree that we'll be third or fourth or worse, I do agree that there is something that is instilled throughout the Alabama PROGRAM that isn't in the LSU PROGRAM. Knowing how to finish games and, more importantly, how to dig down for key plays in a crucial game is the only thing really missing from LSU right now. My question.........as someone who's not a coach.........is how does our staff and players instill it into the philosophy of OUR program? That, I think, is what makes folks in our fanbase nervous about our future games against Alabama.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:20 pm to lsualum96
Arkansas?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:23 pm to lsualum96
quote:Not a coach either, but a long-term LSU fan since Dietzel days. I think the problem you've named is the major problem and difference between an Alabama as they are now and LSU as the Tigers are. The Alabama coaches "get it" and that is instilled into the psyche, the culture, of their teams. The LSU coaches "don't get it" and so there is no sense of that idea (of sealing the deal, making those key plays at key moments, being opportunistic...) to spread to the team. Our coaches don't seem to think that way. The overarching philosophy seems more like plod, plod, plod - keep the mistakes down - don't innovate - be safe and eat the clock. Scoring is just incidental.
My question.........as someone who's not a coach.........is how does our staff and players instill it into the philosophy of OUR program?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:25 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
What you just said here is I think one of the keys to how come Alabama wins and LSU doesn't. Sealing the deal is not something that just happens by accident. It's part of the overall gameplan, the overall psyche of coach and team. But while this seems to be in the Saban-coached Bama's DNA, it is rarely something seen under more current Les Miles coached LSU teams
Right, and thats why Miles has more come from behind 4th quarter wins than anyone else in college football, by a mile. Its because he, the rest of the staff, and the players have no clue how to "seal the deal". You idiots need therapy.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:26 pm to lsualum96
Good success with at least 2 losses every year.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:28 pm to lsualum96
I would go find Cam Cameron and explain to him the benefits of using the 7 TEs on the roster in the passing game?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:32 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Did I say 7 tight ends?
I meant f'ing 10 tight ends!
I meant f'ing 10 tight ends!
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:37 pm to lsualum96
Chicken sandwich bowl
#moralvictory
#moralvictory
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:39 pm to lsualum96
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At this point, I'm not blaming Anthony Jennings, the coaching staff, the personal foul penalty, etc
If the fans don't want to demand change, then they are the problem.
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