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Another troubling thought about this all...
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:46 am
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:46 am
So, Miles is being forced out with one of the best resumes in the business, and the clear motivating factor is his failure to win another national title, or at least to beat Alabama more consistently. For those who say "no it was the 3 straight blowouts", no, you don't fire the winningest coach in your history over several games, in what is yet another winning season, unless you are demanding... perfection. You don't seriously consider paying a 15 million dollar buyout on what may still be a 9-3 season, unless you are Playoffs or Bust.
So, with that being said, how much pressure is going to be on the next guy coming in, to win at all costs? What are the odds we are charging headlong into NCAA probation in the next few years?
Especially if we land Fisher, you better believe 2 things will be in play- there will be a mandate that we out-recruit Alabama so we can overtake them on the field, and Alabama (A&M and Florida, too) will be watching our recruiting like a hawk.
So, with that being said, how much pressure is going to be on the next guy coming in, to win at all costs? What are the odds we are charging headlong into NCAA probation in the next few years?
Especially if we land Fisher, you better believe 2 things will be in play- there will be a mandate that we out-recruit Alabama so we can overtake them on the field, and Alabama (A&M and Florida, too) will be watching our recruiting like a hawk.
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:47 am to Scoob
13-11
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:48 am to Scoob
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:48 am to Scoob
That is actually pathetic
Your defense of Miles is to guarantee the next coach will commit recruiting violations
wow
Your defense of Miles is to guarantee the next coach will commit recruiting violations
wow
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:49 am to Scoob
quote:
Another troubling thought about this all...
Everyone's time comes to an end. Maybe this is his! It happens!
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:49 am to Scoob
Yeah but the Head Coach doesn't have anything to do with the boosters causing us recruiting violations. And our in house cops are some of the best in the business at sniffing this crap out before it becomes a serious problem.
There's too many fail-safes in place at the moment for that to be a serious concern.
There's too many fail-safes in place at the moment for that to be a serious concern.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:50 am to Scoob
it's pretty well known even among our rivals that there was no serious cheating here going on under Saban (even AU and Bama fans generally agree on this). pretty much the same with Miles (with the exception of McCarthy). we can get who we want in the state, south MS and Golden Triangle just on sheer name recognition alone. why would that change under Fisher (or another established Tier 1 type coach)?
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:51 am to Scoob
The program is already broken. The only options are to leave it broken or try to fix it. Meaning LSU has no choice in this right now if we want to compete with the best programs in the country which we all do.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:52 am to Scoob
It's the fact that you have one of the most talented teams year in and year out and can't win a National Title. Players dont come to LSU because of Miles. Players come to LSU because it's LSU. Miles has proven yet again that he cannot meet expectations. Which in my opinion are realistic. DO WHAT YOU SHOULD WITH THE TALENT THAT IS THERE. And he has never done that IMO. Even 2011...yes I said it even in 2011. That was one of the most talented teams to ever grace a college football field and you don't win it all?
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:52 am to Scoob
You say "another" like this argument hasn't been made a 1,000 times here in the last few days.
I'm a reformed pumper (within the last two weeks). It's clear that you don't get it and probably have no interest in getting it. It's about being mediocre against quality teams the last fours years. It's about losing 11 in a row as the underdog and 6 as the overdog since 2011. It's about ineptitude in all three phases. It's about failure to develop a quarterback. It's about failure to make in game adjustments. It's about failure to adapt the offense. It's about much more.
I love Les. I really do. But it's in everyone's interest (including Les') to have a fresh start.
I'm a reformed pumper (within the last two weeks). It's clear that you don't get it and probably have no interest in getting it. It's about being mediocre against quality teams the last fours years. It's about losing 11 in a row as the underdog and 6 as the overdog since 2011. It's about ineptitude in all three phases. It's about failure to develop a quarterback. It's about failure to make in game adjustments. It's about failure to adapt the offense. It's about much more.
I love Les. I really do. But it's in everyone's interest (including Les') to have a fresh start.
This post was edited on 11/26/15 at 12:54 am
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:52 am to Scoob
quote:
For those who say "no it was the 3 straight blowouts", no, you don't fire the winningest coach in your history over several games, in what is yet another winning season, unless you are demanding... perfection.
I don't demand perfection. I do demand not being absolutely embarrassed and not competitive 3 weeks in a row.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:55 am to geauxbrown
quote:Yeah, 13-11, good shot at 14-11, good shot at 9-3 (regular season if Mcneese was played), 5-3 in conference. 15 million dollar buyout. 1 month ago our player was on the cover of Sports Illustrated and we rejoiced; now it's basically "fire him before bowl game".
13-11
As I said (and you basically agree), it's playoffs or bust.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:58 am to Scoob
quote:4-7 SEC West last 2 seasons.
So, Miles is being forced out with one of the best resumes in the business, and the clear motivating factor is his failure to win another national title, or at least to beat Alabama more consistently.
Only 2 of those to Bama.
4-5 against the field.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:03 am to League Champs
quote:It's not a defense of Miles. He's gone. It's the mindset of the powers in play right now; it doesn't matter who the next guy is, he BETTER win. If he "merely" goes 9-3, we've already established (by firing the guy who has been doing that), that isn't good enough. You have to win more. And yet, you have Saban and that well-oiled machine over there in Tuscaloosa... it's going to be tough.
Your defense of Miles is to guarantee the next coach will commit recruiting violations
But if I'm the guys forking out God knows how much cash to a) get rid of Miles, and b) pry Jimbo out of Tallahassee, I don't want to hear about "tough". I want to hear about doing whatever it takes to win. That means making sure players make the grades, making sure we get the best kids, and so on. I didn't drop a sizable amount of coin to keep the status quo.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:06 am to Scoob
Are you seriously this dense that this is just because of a 1 year thing? Damn
Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:08 am to Scoob
What if he is forced to leave, gets hired by South Carolina and dominates the East?
Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:08 am to SG_Geaux
Well he may be fleeing today's release of the Kinsman v. Winston/FSU civil suit depo transcript.
First time any even slight shade of blame has been cast onto Jimbo. Before he only caught grief for defending Winston. Now it's a tad more serious.
You guys sure you want a piece of Jimbo?
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First time any even slight shade of blame has been cast onto Jimbo. Before he only caught grief for defending Winston. Now it's a tad more serious.
You guys sure you want a piece of Jimbo?
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:15 am to Scoob
You're way off. It's not about just bama. It's not about 3 games. It's about a 4 year trend in overall performance. It's about an 11 year trend in qb development and a refusal to adapt, among other things. This didn't start 3 weeks ago. This was brewing before the season started. Miles has a short leash this year, shorter than we all thought. The last 3 weeks were the final straw. Don't make this out to be a knee jerk reaction from lsu. This was thought out over time, and is now being executed.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:15 am to Scoob
Thinking this thread is being taken the wrong way- I'm not "guaranteeing" probation. Don't want it. At this point, I want us to get the best coach we can, and it's clear that Miles is done. If he were to stay at this point we'd be screwed, because he's been hung out to dry, and nothing has been said. It would be a disaster to keep him now, regardless of whatever was intended two weeks ago.
But, look at the standards being set right now. We are basically canning our coach in-season, because he has not contending for a title for the 4th season in a row. And yet, this could still be a 9 win season, 10 wins if we didn't cancel a game. We all laughed at Nebraska for doing this to Solich, and he didn't have the resume Miles has.
There's absolutely no way the next guy gets more slack. Talk about "better discipline" all you want, but if Fisher or Kelly come in making 5+ a year, a disciplined 3 loss team will be considered a failure too. And whoever comes in, knows that.
But, look at the standards being set right now. We are basically canning our coach in-season, because he has not contending for a title for the 4th season in a row. And yet, this could still be a 9 win season, 10 wins if we didn't cancel a game. We all laughed at Nebraska for doing this to Solich, and he didn't have the resume Miles has.
There's absolutely no way the next guy gets more slack. Talk about "better discipline" all you want, but if Fisher or Kelly come in making 5+ a year, a disciplined 3 loss team will be considered a failure too. And whoever comes in, knows that.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:18 am to Scoob
quote:4-7 SECw
But, look at the standards being set right now.
4-5 against the field.
The bar gets lowered every year.
Now you insinuate that new coach will cheat to go 5-4?
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