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re: A relevant comparison: John Cooper OSU/ Miles LSU
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:22 am to ballscaster
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:22 am to ballscaster
And another thing. Cooper is in the college hall of fame. Comparing miles to him is certainly not an insult.
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Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:23 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:Fulmer
I challenge you to find a closer comparison in recent history.
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2 SEC Championships
1 SEC co-Championship
1 National Championship
ranked 12.5 times
unranked 3.5 times
top 10 6 times
Mack Brown
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2 Big 12 Championships
1 National Championship
ranked 13 times
unranked 3 times
top 10 6 times
This post was edited on 11/27/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:28 am to ballscaster
Fulmer is not a good comparison due to the dearth of D1 talent in Tennessee.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:29 am to Tiger Phil
quote:Better comparison than Cooper. Miles is way better than Cooper, and every comprehensive number confirms that.
Fulmer is not a good comparison due to the dearth of D1 talent in Tennessee.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:30 am to ballscaster
Not a bad comparison, but Fulmer and Brown are the poster boys for programs that let a declining coach hang around to long. Fulmerhad two 5 win seasons towards the end!
This does not help your case for keeping miles at all.
This does not help your case for keeping miles at all.
This post was edited on 11/27/15 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:31 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:How's Tennessee done since getting rid of him? Like it or not, the Tennessee/Fulmer split is the rule, not the exception.
Not a bad comparison, but Fulmer is the poster boy for programs that let a declining coach hang around to long. He had two 5 win seasons towards the end!
This does not help your case for keeping miles at all.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:35 am to ballscaster
They've gone for cheap hires. Ive already addressed that I don't think Lsu will do that.
Obviously you have to hire the right replacement.
Obviously you have to hire the right replacement.
This post was edited on 11/27/15 at 11:39 am
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:42 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
I like the comparison. I'd like it more if Tressel didn't turn out to be a little sleazy.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:49 am to ballscaster
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How's Tennessee done since getting rid of him? Like it or not, the Tennessee/Fulmer split is the rule, not the exception.
Again, I think that Tennessee needs everything to go right for them to be successful again. Their recruiting is a huge challenge, just as Nebraska's is. Neither of those schools have the advantage they used to enjoy through the 90's. Notre Dame is also in this boat to some extent, and see how they have struggled since letting go of Holtz.
LSU (and Ohio State, Michigan, Southern Cal, Alabama, Florida to name a few) have a much better setup for recruiting in-state talent.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:53 am to ballscaster
Let's look at it this way. Using your 2 closest comparisons Fulmer and Brown. If they'd both been given 5 more years do you think either would have sniffed a national championship again? Because I certainly do not.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:54 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Why are schools like Alabama and Ohio state entitled to championship level programs, but LSU supposed to be content with being second tier?
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Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:57 am to ballscaster
Miles WAS better than Cooper. The issue with Miles is his coaching ability the last two years. It has been atrocious this November and not even you can deny that.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 11:58 am to ballscaster
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How's Tennessee done since getting rid of him? Like it or not, the Tennessee/Fulmer split is the rule, not the exception.
Programs that are more similar to LSU in 2015 than Fulmer era Tennessee - Florida and Michigan.
Those schools looked at Hoke and Muschamp and said things were unacceptable and made moves.
The last few years under Miles have been unacceptable and the trend is downward.
Think Harbaugh and McElwain not Fulmer and Mack Brown.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:01 pm to ballscaster
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How's Tennessee done since getting rid of him?
Again, this is due to keeping him around a season or 2 too long. Right now any coach looking at the LSU job sees guys like LF7, Malachi, Jamal Adams etc. He sees a top recruiting class already assembled that he just needs to convince the kids to stick with the program. And he sees top coaches like Frank and I that he can potentially keep on staff. All that can go away next year and not help the job be as alluring as it is today for a top coach to jump ship.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:08 pm to ballscaster
So a new coach can either turn out great or bad. It's a chance you take. The alternative is to stick with status quo which hasn't been much fun lately. do you honestly think Les would ever be able to beat Bama and win the SEC again? He's not even close to winning the west lately.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:09 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
I lived in Ohio during much of John Cooper's tenure and in Louisiana during all of Les Miles' tenure.
This is a solid comparison so who will be our Jim Tressel?
Looks like they did alright after firing Cooper.
This is a solid comparison so who will be our Jim Tressel?
Looks like they did alright after firing Cooper.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:12 pm to lsufball19
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John Cooper had 3 conference titles to Miles' 2. Cooper had 3 sub 2 loss seasons to Miles' 1. Cooper is actually very comparable to Miles. He won 10+ games 5 times in a 6 year stretch (and this was with 11 game regular seasons) but couldn't win his biggest game of the year every year. He then went 6-6 and 8-4 and was let go.
He also had 7, 4+ loss seasons to Les' 3. And this was when they were only playing 11 games.
We could do this shite all day. Lol. I said it was a pretty good comparison. Just simply pointing out that there was a lack of a national championship (which is huge on a resume whether folks want to admit it or not), and that Les has never had a 6-6 season, which is also huge...unless you think the had he gone 9-3 in instead of 6-6 that year that he would have been fired anyway...and I don't think you would draw that conclusion.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:12 pm to ruzil
I guess we need a pre-OSU Tressel comparison to jimbo next!
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:15 pm to Fratigerguy
I think the biggest similarity is how both were/are seen as squandering talent.
That's why it's better than Mack or fulmer comparison.
That's why it's better than Mack or fulmer comparison.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:19 pm to kbro
I always respected Florida for being willing to cut guys loose before things hit bottom. Zook wasn't terrible and they let him go for urban. That paid off. Now the mcelwain hire is paying off.
This is what top programs do.
This is what top programs do.
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